After a long hiatus, we’re back! In this episode, we catch up and discuss the craziness in America, how the COVID-19 pandemic is impacting different people, our upcoming (hopefully) walk across Japan, and more.


Brian: Five four, three, two, one. How’s it going, Garrett?

Garret: It’s going, I think,

Brian: Long time. No talk.

Garret: I know, uh, especially on this, on this podcast, I feel like we’re making our big comeback.

Brian: The, the last time we did a podcast was I was still in America. I

Garret: Know it was in may. I was may with Ben Cohn. Oh, Jesus.

Brian: That was like half a year ago.

Garret: It’s November. Now that was literally half a year ago.

Brian: 11 minus five equals six. Yeah. There’s 12 months in a year. So 12 divided by two is six, six equals six. So that is. That has happened too. I’m just trying to show off because I’m not the one in this podcast with a math degree.

Garret: I actually, I actually didn’t understand what you did there

Brian: So, well, maybe you should go review your textbooks sometime.

Garret: Maybe I should take another class because I have the time now.

Brian: All right. Let’s talk about having time now, as everyone is probably aware things didn’t really go as planned a lot of. Industry’s thought this would be over by now. A lot of industries like restaurants, entertainment, even the tech industry, to a certain extent, you know, people thought they would be working at the office by now instead of staying work from home.

So, so like the last time that we talked, uh, we were still kind of fresh into the pandemic experience. It was only maybe two or three months in.

Garret: It was, it was the era of early pandemic.

Brian: Yeah. We were still hopeful. You know, we were like, Hmm, maybe this is just going to pass. I guess it really started ramping up in March.

And then in may we did that podcast and now we’re still, now it’s even worse.

Garret: Well, the thing is, this was predicted, right? Like even from the beJunning, they were like, okay. So it’s probably going to get a little better in the summer and then people are going to take advantage of it. And then it’s going to get colder again.

It’s going to get worse and that’s exactly what’s happening. I think, I think we’re getting ready. We’re probably going to go on full lock down again. Oh really? I think I know you said it’s like pretty much normal there.

Brian: Yeah. I like the thing with Japan is like, life is back to normal. Kind of kids are back at school and daycare.

People are going back to work and not the last few days, or I should say the last week or two, we’ve actually seen a spike in cases. I think yesterday. The all-time record for cases was broken. Uh, so we had, I don’t know, like 1,500 cases

Garret: In Tokyo.

Brian: No, just throughout the whole country. I think Tokyo maybe had 300 or so

Garret: It is concerning, but not that bad compared to the U S I mean, ideally we’re getting no new cases, but still like, did you know this is probably going to blow your mind or you already knew this.

But like Wakefield is a danger zone right now.

Brian: What does dangerous zone mean though?

Garret: There was declared like one of those red zones. Really?

Brian: How many cases are there?

Garret: Uh, I actually. I should have been prepared with the numbers, but there was, I think we’ve been having, you know, between 40 and 60 new cases a day.

Brian: Wow.

Garret: And I know like in this only what, like 14,000 people in the town or something like that,

Brian: That’s like just ridiculous. I feel,

Garret: Cause I know

Brian: Where are these people getting the virus from? I, cause I’m just thinking like, okay, so there’s how many people in Wayfield 27,000 was in. 2018. There’s only 27,000 people in Wakefield.

Okay. So let’s just say it’s like 30,000 now. Cause I don’t know. That’s maybe being generous. Cause the last, uh, data point was back in 2018. So how many people are there a day? 40 cases you said?

Garret: See, um, so total case number as of November 5th, 450. That’s what I’m seeing.

Brian: How about like, do you know the number of new cases per day?

Garret: So there was one point where there was like 77 cases a week,

Brian: 77 a week. Yeah, that’s just crazy. So 77 a week for 30,000 people, that’s like 0.0, 2% 0.03% was zero to 5%.

Garret: And also during the span of. You know, um, a couple months it says 434 people have tested positive in Wakefield alone. So like compare that proportion.

So like 434 out of 30,000 to like your 300 and Tokyo over how many people are in Tokyo

Brian: Guests. How many people are in Tokyo?

Garret: Oh my gosh, you really want, I don’t even know how many people are in my hometown.

Brian: Well, you can make a guess. I think it’s probably gonna be more than you expect.

Garret: Should I highball it?

No, I’m going to, I’m going to try and give you like an accurate, I’ll say like 15 million,

Brian: Uh, it’s like 14 million. So you were pretty close.

Garret: God. How do I know about things that are halfway around the world and not in my own backyard?

Brian: Well, maybe that means you should move over here.

Garret: Yeah. We’re actually talking about me going in the spring, which is exciting.

So first of all, we have more cases in Wakefield than you do in Tokyo as well. Yours is per day. But still,

Brian: Yeah, I think when you factor in like all of the differences, like the population density, Tokyo is probably one of the densest places in the world.

Garret: I mean, it has a Guinness book, world record of that Shibuya station.

Right. It’s the busiest station in the world.

Brian: Yeah. And just like. Rush hour is still a thing here. If you go on the train at 7:30 AM, you know, it’s packed, it’s completely packed.

Garret: That didn’t change. Did it? That never changed? That hasn’t changed at all. Right?

Brian: Right.

Garret: Where people, no people ever like locked in their homes there.

Brian: They had kind of a, like a weekend thing. Like, like just stay at home during the weekend. It’s not really enforced, just stay at home and then no one really did.

Garret: Gotcha.

Brian: That just like boggles my mind. I really have to wonder. Is it an issue of Japan not reporting cases or is it just people in America going crazy?

Garret: I don’t know. I mean, it could be, cause you know, like our current president, like his whole thing was like, we have so many cases because, uh, because there’s so many tests happening, there’s so much testing going on.

Brian: Well, I think that’s actually part of it because last time I checked, uh, Tokyo’s not really proactively doing testing.

Okay. So I’m not sure what the testing requirements are. Uh, but it’s, it’s not just, you know, they’re not going out and doing testing, but I’m not sure if that’s happening in the States either.

Garret: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don’t want to, I don’t want to voice any opinions either way. I think that, that was just kind of what his thing was for a while that we’re making people either angry or people are like, Oh yeah, yeah, that’s right.

You know, that makes sense. I don’t, by the way, I’m kind of staying out of that. But if you, if you’re saying like in Tokyo, Testing is not a huge thing then. Yeah. I mean, it kind of like, it’s, it follows kind of basic logic that you guys look better. Right. So,

Brian: Right. So we do look better, but also I think going around town, you walk around, don’t really see anyone coughing and it just kind of makes me think like, is America actually cosmetically looking bad due to the increased testing?

Uh, but are they falsely like wrecking the economy as a response to the case count? And I feel like that might actually be happening and it’s kind of really sad.

Garret: What do you mean by cosmetically?

Brian: By cosmetically? I, I mean, they’re making the policy and kind of public sentiment is being shifted based on the shape of the graph instead of the actual real life effects of the virus.

And you can always cherry pick cases like, Oh, this young person died and they didn’t have any preexisting conditions, but if you make public policy based on outliers, that’s just like a really bad way to go down. I think. Because, you know, we’ve all seen the actual numbers. Young people in general are not dying from this actually in Japan.

Now more people are dying from suicide related to the virus as opposed to actually dying from the virus. Right? So the effects of like just this impending sense of doom, I really felt this when I was in the States because of the media, they were really like Trump, Trump, Trump is doing all this. Uh, which I completely disagree with, but we’re not going to talk about that.

And just as like constant propaganda of bad news, and it just makes you think like, Oh, I’m probably going to die of this. I’m gonna die of this. Yeah. So I think that kind of stuff, and also, you know, people losing their jobs, people losing their businesses. So that kind of led to an increase in the suicide rate in Japan.

And it’s kind of interesting because. When the country first started to ramp up in cases and companies start to let people work from home. The suicide rate actually went down. Really? Yeah. But as time went on and companies started to run out of money and closed, the suicide rate went up,

Garret: They run. So I w they were, they were still working.

The companies were still running.

Brian: Yeah. So we went down because Japan has terrible culture in the office. Uh, they have to get to the office like before their boss does. And then. Uh, don’t go home until your boss leaves. Otherwise you won’t get a promotion and afterward there’s this peer pressure maybe. To go out drinking with your boss and your coworkers.

So there’s this like this whole social structure in place that places pressure on people. And then when you’re committed to your job from like 7:00 AM, until some people don’t get home till midnight, you don’t have time to think for yourself. And that makes you depressed. Right? So when these companies started to shift to work from home and then people suddenly start to feel happier, you know, they can see their kids.

They can, you know, kind of have time for themselves eat breakfast, uh, take a shower.

Garret: So interesting.

Brian: Yeah. So the suicide rate actually went down and everyone in the country, it was like, Whoa, like we’ve never seen this before. Yeah. Unfortunately like suicide has kind of become, I don’t want to say accepted, but that’s like along the lines of what it is, you know?

It’s just seen as something that happens and they don’t think about, Oh, maybe it’s due to the fact that, uh, the way that Japanese work culture is set up, it’s actually contributing to it. You know, they just turn a blind eye to that, but it was just interesting. Like it went down for a while and then recently it started to really spike and, uh, that kind of coincided with the government aid kind of stopping mm.

Companies forced to close.

Garret: Yeah. But you mentioned like, well, I was, I have many thoughts, but I have mainly I have a question, so, and I’m just trying to get this straight in my, uh, in my brain. Um, so you mentioned that life is sort of back to normal there, and people were working from home anyway, so. Why were companies going out of business?

Brian: Oh, so when I say companies going out of business, you know, I personally, I’m not a business owner in Japan. Uh, but I know that earlier in the year there was some aid from the government. Like for example, uh, the company that my wife worked for before she went on the maternity leave, you know, they were in the travel industry and for awhile, You know, they were still paying people and then they like shut down the office.

So people could work from home just recently. They were forced to fire everyone because the government aid has stopped. Right. The travel industry doesn’t seem like it’s going to ramp up again. So I think they fired almost everyone. There’s still a few people working and

Garret: That’s interesting. And I feel like I’m not really as statistics savvy as you are, but I feel like it’s almost reverse here where it’s like people here.

Need to go to work, to have some sense of structure and being confined to their homes. Even if they’re working from home, I feel like the suicide rate would go up here just based on our culture. Cause you know, I’m actually on a personal note, like I’m feeling it too. It’s a, it’s a little more drastic for performers.

Um, and the performing arts, because we literally have nothing to do. You know, and a lot of other industries you can work from home and you can at least be doing something. Um, but still like even, you know, I’m, I’ve considered myself a pretty chill. Like neutral person aside from being riddled with anxiety all the time.

But like the, you know, like just kind of like go with the flow type of person. And after like month, six or seven, I was like, Oh man, I wasn’t getting like suicidal obviously, but you know, I could feel some like my, my mental disposition was chanJung for sure. And not for the better. And that was just from being home so much.

And I’m obviously also in a different position where like, You know, I don’t, I’m with I’m with my parents and my brother, and that’s great, but I don’t, you know, I don’t know. It’s, it’s, it’s a really interesting difference between here and there. I think it’s so strange that it’s, it seems like something that’s total inverse.

You know, people here don’t want to be home all the time, whereas people there are like, seem to be more happy at home. Yeah. Is that true?

Brian: I think that it also depends on the generation. I feel that older people in Japan and the overall age does skew old in Japan. It’s like one of the lowest birth rate places in the world, uh, which is very concerning for the next three or four decades, if they don’t fix it.

But that’s a different point. Yeah. And I think the older people actually like prefer the old structure, you know, going to work, uh, Just getting away from the wife and kids.

Garret: Yeah.

Brian: Yeah. That’s like a real thing. A

Garret: Real thing

Brian: Here. Yeah. Right there too. Uh, but I feel like the younger people are more open to like work at the cafe, work at home, that kind of thing.

But, but yeah, I do agree with you. I think it goes both ways and I feel like that’s why the USA really needs to take a hard look at what’s going on around the world. You know, to determine if like the difference in, in numbers is, uh, just a result of more testing or is it like actually a result of, um, something that’s kind of intrinsic to American life and finish?

I forgot what I was going to say. Oh. And if it is just. Uh, more of a cosmetic thing where it’s like, Hey, let’s compare ourselves to Japan. You know, they only have 1000 cases a day while we have a hundred thousand cases our day. And is that a result of America doing a hundred times more testing? I actually feel like it could be.

Uh, and if so, it’s like, should we, should we be actually making our public policy based on what we see on the chart or actually what we see going on in real life? And. And I think like the, the Democrat side of things are really interested in this like idea of locking talent and a full lockdown, or even any lockdown to a certain extent just doesn’t really make sense to me.

Uh, because I feel like those effects can actually do more damage to both the short-term and the long-term of the economy. You know, people’s. Uh, jobs like you, like the, the economy is not like, uh, it has momentum, you know, it’s not just something that you can stop and then restart, right? There’s this momentum.

And if you, and if you kind of like, like, for example, if you’re on the highway in a car, right, and you and your enJune goes bust, It’s still going to move for a while until it stops. Right? Right. So that time where you’re losing that energy is, is very important, uh, to kind of address the problem. And I feel like the USA now is in a place or the economy is losing that momentum and it’s losing steam.

And once it stops. Uh, of course it’s going to stop completely, but I say stop in the sense that it’s going to be very difficult to reboot because all those jobs that were that existed have to be recreated. And where is that? Like a stimulus to kick that back into place? Like where is that going to come from?

And then you also have to factor in that, like people are going to be depressed. Uh, there’s going to be all sorts of problems. And it’s like, why would you want to do a full lockdown? Right? When, when it’s like young people don’t die from this, it’s like lock away, not lock away, lock down the old people, right.

Lock down the people who have, uh, some kind of issues with their lungs. Let the young people go out. Right. Let’s let the young people go out. Let’s let them get it. It’s going to suck for them, but in the longterm, you know, we have to send the young people out to battle this virus. And then they have the immune systems to do that.

And it’s just like, mind-boggling, you know, 600,000 people die from heart disease each year and parents and all these people, probably the same parents who are saying full lockdown, full lock down, we need to lock down right now. Trump go away lockdown. Right? Those are the same people feeding their kids.

McDonald’s. And those kids are going to get heart disease someday. And 600,000 Americans die from heart disease each year. No, one’s talking about that, but suddenly Corona virus, which doesn’t really kill young people is suddenly this huge problem that we have to lock down the whole economy. Yeah, just

Garret: Ridiculous.

Yeah. Well, to the other side of that, and we’ve had, uh, we’ve had conversations like that in this household. Um, and here’s an example, right? So, so, uh, my grandmother is, um, she lives in, um, took Sperry and, um, my grandfather died a few years ago and, you know, she’s all alone. And, um, she’s dealing with like separate health problems and things like that.

Um, she’s, she hasn’t gotten COVID to my knowledge, but is, you know, dealing with a lot of other things and just being by herself, doing that, um, must be really hard. So, um, we we’ve been trying to make it a habit of, you know, spending a little time with her every couple of weeks, just distance, like having her come over and sit.

Across the room for a bit and chat like, and, um, I think what we’re, uh, you know, when my parents and, uh, I guess my brothers, my brothers and I are worried about is, you know, I absolutely see what you’re saying. Like, I feel like this has to just, this virus just needs to do a full circle of the country. And then yeah.

You know, like that’s the thing that’s gonna ultimately end it maybe, but. You know, at the same time, it’s like, if we all just kind of go out and do this herd immunity thing, then we can’t see, you know, my grandmother for instance, for a while. And, you know, we, we constantly worry about her just being on her own, you know?

So, um, it’s, it’s a really tricky, it’s a paradox, a really tricky thing because, you know, ultimately. You know, everyone just getting it is probably going to make this go quicker. But then we have cases like, you know, you have your loved ones, you know, your, you know, your elderly loved ones that you worry about.

And, um, in the case of my grandmother being on her own, I know I’ve said that a million times, but you know, we, we want to see her and she’s, you know, You know, she just went through radiation and things like that. I don’t, I probably already said more than I should have, but like the, you know, there’s, there, there are situations like that where it’s like,

Brian: Yeah,

Garret: We, we do want to see our family and I don’t know how long it would take if we just kind of all went out and did the herd immunity thing.

So, but it is tricky. I see exactly what you’re saying and I wish there was a simple solution and. Also, I wish there was just a single, like reliable news source that we could like just click a button and get all the accurate facts. But there just isn’t like you saw how hard it was to just find case counts and Wakefield.

Like I was, I was looking at my phone, like, what do I, which one do I click on? How many?

Brian: Right. And everyone has a different number.

Garret: Everyone has a different number. Everyone has a different opinion. Um, there are a lot of people who are really good at arguing and persuading and, you know, it’s, it’s easy to see both sides of something and, um, that just further complicates things.

And I don’t know. I wish I wish I could, you know, come on here with you, Brian, and like have an answer. But tell me now I w I wish because how do we fix this? You make some great points and I’m like, yeah. You know, you’re right. And then I think about my grandmother and, you know, other people’s grandmothers in a situation, similar situation.

And it’s just, I it’s, you know, I’m not going to say unprecedented, but it is.

Brian: Yeah. Right. Well, I think that’s kind of the point I was getting to, when we’re talking about, uh, the way that we should make the public policies, not based on outliers. So there’s always going to be outlier. So, um, I th I think in, in your case, you know, you do have to factor in like the emotional response of your grandmother.

Uh, so in your case you might feel like, Oh, even though I’m a young person and like my brother is young out, we’re going to do our best to stay at home for the sake of my grandmother. So, but at the same time, I, I, I think that. Just because this sort of outlier exists does not mean, you know, the country should put like a full lockdown in place and canceled out a bunch of businesses and stuff like that.

Right. Cause has more young people, whether they work in entertainment, tech, retail, whatever, they all want to go back to work. So, so to base the public policy, which I, I feel. The Biden administration is kind of going down that route of talking about full lockdowns. Uh, and I feel like that’s mostly being based on, you know, if we let people out there, uh, like old people might die or if we let people out there, young people might die.

Uh, the truth is, you know, we don’t, we’re not immortal, you know, it’s like people are going to die, right. And it doesn’t matter if you do a full lockdown, it doesn’t matter if you don’t do a full lockdown. If you do a full lockdown, you might get deaths from people being depressed, doing drugs, drinking too much.

If you do a full lockdown, you might get deaths from actually people getting the virus. So, yeah, so I, you know, I also don’t have the answer to this, but based on all of the numbers, uh, We do know that this really affects people over 60, the most and people under the age of 24 are completely like very, very, very, very unlikely to pass away from this.

Right. And just to base the public policy on, on, on some, like on some kind of chart that doesn’t tell the whole story, like the chart does not account for every single. Dimension out there. It’s just very scary and to turn and just to see the country, turn this into something political is completely insane.

Like, just see what happened. Uh, half of the country was blaming president Trump directly for the deaths and just like, take a step back, like. President Trump killed them.

Garret: It’s like

Brian: The virus did. Right. Right. Like some of these people might’ve gone out to a party. That’s one thing. Right. I still hear that parties are popular in the States.

Is that true?

Garret: Uh, I think so. I think people definitely got, got to the point where they were cocky or either, either cocky or going crazy and like needed to do. I don’t. Why can’t you just, I mean, that’s, that’s what blows my mind is like, Oh, your life is so hard that you need to get a gathering of like this many people.

Like, can’t you just, so what we’ve been doing is we’ve just been slowly expanding our circle, right? Like I’ll, you know, find a couple people that I trust and, you know, we’ll hang out in my backyard and then, you know, eventually we’ll add another person, but like, How are you? It’s such a first world problem.

It really is. It’s like,

Brian: It’s absurd.

Garret: What’s that?

Brian: It’s absurd.

Garret: It’s absurd. Like you’re going to survive. Like you’re going to survive with just having a few friends over and you guys just sitting across from each other, you’re going to be fine. Like, yes, we all need. We all need connection to, you know, for our own mental health.

Right. And we need to see people and our friends and our relatives, but we don’t need to see all of them all at once. It’s like, yeah, I don’t know it. And it’s also. It’s it’s a, it’s a year or two that this is going to be in the grand scheme of things like you’re going to survive. I’m sorry. I, I have to say I’m not being the most eloquent right now.

I am not running on a lot of sleep.

Brian: No, it’s

Garret: Fine. It’s fine. I’m really sorry. But

Brian: Let’s kind of wrap up this Corona thing so we can move on. The last thing that I wanted to say is. I think the main issue in America is a lack of empathy. And I’ve thought about this a lot, and I really do think that’s, that’s what it comes down to.

You know, you just see on Facebook that the country is so polarized where. Uh, you actually have people like on the blues side, actually calling for people on the red side to die openly on Facebook. It’s like, if you support Trump, uh, you should go die. Like that’s actually something that I’ve seen. And, um, you know, I personally experienced someone calling me a white supremacist cause I didn’t go to approach.

And it’s just like all of this hate and all of this. Uh, lack of empathy for your other people in the country. Right. Boils all the way down to like, when you go outside, like, why can’t you just wear a mask? Like, why does it have to be, why does it even, I have to be an issue of all if I wear a mask or taking my, yeah.

Right. So,

Garret: Or if I don’t post. A black square on my Instagram. All of a sudden I am a racist,

Brian: Racist, Nazi, fascist dictator.

Garret: Yeah. Yeah. There’s definitely a shame storm happening. I think we talked about this a little bit when I actually saw you in person and met your baby and your wife in person. And, uh, but yeah, it’s like, I had an incident too, where like I was caught in the storm and it was, it.

It was for something that I don’t want to go into it. Um, and I don’t even want to say any details or anything, but I mean, it, it just feels like people are looking for situations to call someone out, right? Like they’re just kind of browsing the internet or, you know, putting out challenges and like, who’s going to challenge this and then I can, I can, you know, screenshot your.

Your, uh, your comment and find a way to make it, to post it online and explain why it’s so racist and

Brian: It’s

Garret: Uh,

Brian: Yeah. It’s yeah. And there’s also a sense of Oh yeah, sure.

Garret: No, but I just want it to make it full circle and like yes, there is totally a lack of empathy and just this sense of extremism it’s like,

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: Yes, there are bad people. In this country, there are people who are actually racists and white supremacists, and it is a problem, but it doesn’t do any good to, first of all, like those people are not going to go on Facebook and like, yeah, I don’t think they’re going to and be like, Subtle about it and their comments.

Like you shouldn’t have to like, take their comment and like look at it for a second and trucked it, deconstruct it and be like, Oh, that’s why it could be racist. Like if there’s stupid, actual racist or white supremacist is going to post on Facebook, which they probably wouldn’t, he’ll be really clear about him.

Brian: That’s that’s a really good point. And. That’s definitely something that I’ve seen on Facebook lately aware. Uh, first of all, I think a lot of these people actually don’t know how Facebook works. Facebook act. No, like for real, like Facebook actually only shows you what they think you want to see. You know, they’ll show you what captors cause.

Cause Facebook sells you attention. Facebook sells your attention to advertisers, right? So they’ll show you what they deem, uh, will get most of your attention. And over the past few weeks, Uh, the social platforms have kind of played into this human instinct to kind of ascend within your tribe. So like lately we’ve seen like tribes form all over the place.

Uh, so to kind of distill it down to two tribes, you have the Democrats and you have the Republicans, right? So most of my friends on Facebook are liberal. So that’s what I see on Facebook. The most, I don’t have that many. Republican friends, just because like, we both worked on Broadway and most of Broadway is blue.

Uh, so, um, where was I getting? So yeah, these people have kind of this, this, like wanting to ascend within their tribe, like, uh, where it’s like, Hey, I’m going to post something. Uh, that calls out this racist and then all of their friends were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go, go. It’s like, go, go, go. And they like feed into it that, uh, wanting to kind of like ascend and then P and then like that kind of activity gets you on Facebook for a lot of time.

Right. You just keep on spending more time on Facebook, like sharing these stupid memes of Donald Trump and explaining why he’s racist. Waiting for your friends to like it waiting for your friends to comment on it, uh, to kind of, and they’ll like reinforce your idea on this topic to make you feel good about yourself.

And that’s like, all we see and people don’t realize they’re being played. They’re being played by Facebook. They’re being played by Twitter and they also don’t realize that. When they keep on practicing this as kind of a daily habit, they’re making the country a worse place to live. You know, they’re digJung themselves further into their own tribe.

Uh, but the point, but the problem with that is the tribe stands for ideas that are either not completely true, true, completely moronic, or just like, why do these ideas need to exist? Like. Many of these tribes are built on the idea that America is inherently racist. And I don’t think that’s completely true.

I think as a person who didn’t, who was an immigrant to America, I still think it’s like the only place in the world where you can truly come from nothing and then build something of yourself.

Garret: Uh,

Brian: And I’ve been to a lot of places and I still feel America is really the only place that you can do that.

And. To be that. And also at the same time, be inherently racist. Just doesn’t make sense. And you keep on seeing like racism, racism, racism, racism, Trump, and. It’s just like so crazy. These people don’t know their puppets. They don’t know that they’re puppets

Garret: Really well. Again, it’s, it’s kind of like what you were saying about the COVID thing, where we’re not taking everything into account.

There’s just too many variables as like this weird Heisenberg principle thing where it’s like, we can’t possibly know everything about what’s going on everywhere, you know? And. Um, no matter. And also going back to, um, yeah, so there’s just too many variables and also going back to, um, the social media thing, uh, which you said that I loved, like, I feel like there’s this such this mob mentality and where people are like stuck trying to, I don’t, I don’t know if this is actually true, but it kind of seems to me, like people are trying to like start.

Want to like gain a following for calling out people. So it’s like, they’re trying to start a mob. And like, because that’s going to give that’s, what’s going to give them like this dopamine hit and make them feel great. It’s like, look what I started now. People are behind us and let’s keep doing it because we want that dopamine hit is dopamine, the right.

Some kind of adrenaline, you know, some kind of, yeah. It makes them feel good. I think

Brian: Dopamine is right. That’s the thing that makes you satisfied slash happy.

Garret: Yeah. Yeah. And it’s, and the problem. And I think that’s, I absolutely think that’s true and I’ll go on record and say it. Um, but the problem is these are the types of people that if we tried to explain that to them, they are not going to see it that way.

Yeah, no, it just takes a certain type of person. To do that where it’s like, they’re, you know, they’re very strong-willed and they’re, and they’re very, very, very firm in their beliefs. And they’re not going to budge. If you try and say, Hey, I think this is what you’re doing, you know, they’re going to be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

This is a problem. And we’re going to fix it. Me and my posse, we’re going to work.

Brian: Right. But

Garret: Are they going to fix it? Is that, is that right? Is that fixing anything? So, um, Yeah, it’s, it’s an interesting thing and there’s a lot of variables and there’s no way to know for sure. Anything factually, right.

Brian: I think that’s completely true.

And just one more tidbit before we, we move on and talk about music related. Let’s wrap it up

Garret: Like seven politics.

Brian: Yeah. Now, like I think this last point is. Is really is really important. And it’s like the perfect example. So like, I get what you’re saying, but there’s like so many different factors that we have to consider.

But on, on the flip side of that, I, I also feel like there’s a sense of purposely ignoring the facts in order to poop in order to like, prove your I’m not going to say prove your point because some of the appointments prove your bias and. The best example of that I can think of lately is Joe Biden is president elect, right?

Like there’s this narrative that Joe Biden is already the president elect. And when you come to them and say, Joe Biden is not the president Lech, cause the electorates have not, uh, actually voted yet. That doesn’t happen till mid December and also not all of the States have verified their votes. So by definition, just.

Logically slash factually speaking, Joe Biden is not the president elect. And that’s something that, you know, I’ve kind of, uh, mentioned a few times lately to people and they’re like, you’re completely wrong. Joe Biden is completely the president elect and I’m saying, but this is why it’s dangerous. Like there’s no nuance left in kind of the way that the American public thinks they just forget.

There’s like a place in the middle. It’s either. Zero or one, uh, for them it’s either black or white. So if they were to say, Joe Biden is most likely going to be the president elect because he has a significant lead in, you know, the current pollings that we have. That’s completely true. I would agree with that.

Right. But all of these liberals, all of these mainstream, uh, channels, like the New York times, whatever, like list all of them, right. They have come out with headlines saying. Joe Biden is the president elect of America. And that’s what I saw when yeah. And when we actually can’t respect how the democracy works, right?

The democracy says are not the democracy though. The laws say the laws that govern this democracy, which actually, I don’t think the word democracy is in the constitution at all, but, uh, Where’s our fat laws, right? It’s I think they mentioned Republic a few times. I don’t think they ever do democracy, but, um, the laws which govern America say that Trump has the right to do what he’s doing right now.

That’s not fascist. That’s just the law he’s following the law. And the law also says there is no president elect until there is a president elect. And that happens after. The president elect is elected in mid December. And those that that’s when the electorates for each state vote. And also there is no president elect until all of the votes are certified.

So that’s going to happen after all of these lawsuits, um, what, whatever they do. Right. So if we can’t even respect that and like accurately. Kind of communicate that. And instead we revert back to our bias about like this false re this false like world where Joe Biden is already the president elect.

That’s not, that’s not an accurate reflection of the world that we actually live in. Right. And when, when you’re okay with like, doing stuff like that, you know, like in the name, like. Against fascism, right? I’m doing this because I’m against fascism. Uh, I’m against dictatorship. Like Trump is a dictator. So I have to push this bias that Joe Biden is already the president elect.

First of all, Trump is not a fascist. If there was, if he was a fascist, there would have been no election. Right. Uh, and also if you can’t respect the laws of the, of the democracy while claiming that you’re in this to fight for democracy, Is completely absurd. And I just lost basically all respect for a lot of people.

Um, on my Facebook friends list, you know, I’m going to come on and say this out, out in the public. Cause I really don’t care if you can’t respect logic and facts. I completely have no respect for you. Like if you can come out and say that Joe Biden is the president elect and just keep on going and say like, if you don’t say Joe Biden is the president elect, you’re a fascist.

No. You’re just a person who like understands logic and facts.

Garret: Well, first of all, like, no matter like what side you’re on that statement you just said, like, if you don’t say Joe Biden as president elect, you’re a fascist, like narrows, so many steps it takes to get to that conclusion that may or may not be accurate conclusion like that is those two things.

Are those two things seem unrelated to me and that’s just how I feel. And I’m not the most educated person. And, um, and yeah, I do think there is just an issue with, so to be completely honest with you, Brian, like, that’s just what I saw on all these news news websites, like as official Joe Biden has been elected president.

Now there’s some qualities it’s official ICER. Yeah, that’s just what I saw. Um, yeah. Uh, but I do think that people are jumping to conclusions on social media, like way too quickly and it’s concerning and it’s, and that’s, what’s causing these heated arguments and that’s, what’s causing social media to blow up and like, Uh, to be honest, I just had to step, I I’ve been off of social media, not completely off because you know, during these times you have to once in a while see what’s going on.

Um, but I just, for my own sanity, I have to, I have to step away, but I think there again, I just wish I wish there existed just one place where we could get the facts. You know, and it was universally acknowledged. This is where you should go for the right thing, like the right facts. And I agree with you about logic and facts.

I think, um, like there has to be, there has to be some kind of situation. There has to be some kind of platform or. Whatever where we can just put our opinions aside and look at the facts. And then after that, we need to be able to look at the facts as they are. And then we can proceed with our opinions.

Brian: I would say there, there actually is a place like you can go and look at the laws, right?

You can look, uh, that, that kind of go over how this process is supposed to play out. And I think the point that you made about people jumping from. You know, if you don’t say this, then you’re a fascist, that’s like a really great point. Cause that’s, cause that’s what it really all boils down to. People will go from step a to step B.

And there’s no connection in between them

Garret: By step Q

Brian: From, from a to Q or from a, to some other letter in some different alphabet.

Garret: Right.

Brian: But like that’s, that’s really, that’s really the main problem because. If you tell them that Joe Biden is not the president elect, they automatically jumped a fascist, right?

Like, just because I don’t think that it doesn’t mean I’m a fascist, but also doesn’t mean I’m necessarily a Republican, right? It just means I’m someone who’s trying to show you like what the process actually is, but they always need to assign people to a group. Right. Yeah. If you don’t agree with me, I’m going to assign you to this group.

You’re a fascist, you’re a racist, blah, blah, blah. They don’t just say like, Oh, maybe he’s just speaking out of logic or like facts. Right? Like if we can’t even agree on facts, the future of America is toast,

Garret: I think. Right? Yeah. And I think like I’m not someone who. Who won. I’m not someone who ever wants to just like disown anyone for their, for their opinions, but like what?

So, like, you know, a lot of my, like many members of my family, um, have different views than I do. And that’s fine. That’s fine with me. Like they’re entitled to that. But as soon as someone starts, um, Trying to back up their views with false information. That’s when I have to step back and be like, okay, now we have a problem.

Yeah. Um, yeah, so it’s not, you know, I, and I don’t, I I’m sorry, I don’t, I don’t want to go into like, you know, we, I believe in this, I support this person and this person on this, but, um,

Brian: But I think it’s like not about that at all. Right?

Garret: Yeah. It’s not. And it’s not to go back to like episode one. There’s a lot of false information, which is the oriJunal title of this podcast.

I think we, I think we just like told the future, like we, cause there was going to be like, when we made that we didn’t know how much false information was going to be coming months.

Brian: Now we’re talking about false information, we should problem with it.

Garret: We should rename it. There was false information that it was various artists and

Brian: False or false information, false, false, or incorrect,

Garret: False, false,

Brian: False, false information.

Garret: That was a good, hopefully neutral on that. Totally neutral. That that was, you know, I think that was a good. Sensible like civil political conversation.

Brian: I think it was completely neutral actually, because like we did mention liberals, we didn’t mention Republicans, but the core objective of the conversation was to say that, uh, as long as you like, um, propagate the objective facts, there’s no problem with which side you’re on.

Yeah. The problem is when you, um, You know, twist the facts and then base your opinion on that. Yeah. And in that respect, I think we remained completely neutral.

Garret: Yeah. And that’s good. And that’s, so that’s kind of what I want.

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: Let’s not everyone love each other.

Brian: Let’s not ruffle too many feathers though.

I, I do feel like that some people who listen to this will probably reach out to me and call me a fascist. So we’ll see, we’ll see

Garret: Hard to avoid nowadays. Yeah, I might actually, I might actually, uh, DMU right after this and call

Brian: You. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you’ll be the one to call me a passion, right? Yeah. Listen to it.

Yeah. I didn’t even listen to the podcast yet. I just had this like, feeling that I had to call

Garret: You a fashion. I’m listening to numbers. I’m patient zero. Yeah.

Brian: Patient negative one

Garret: Because I can, yeah. I haven’t even experienced it yet, so I can’t even be patient there.

Brian: Exactly. All right. So, Garrett, what have you been up to lately?

Let’s talk about our lives. Let’s not talk about

Garret: Yeah,

Brian: Facts anymore.

Garret: I’ve been breathing and I’m trying to sleep and. Uh, eating. And, um,

Brian: How are you holding up

Garret: Though? Um,

Brian: There’s been so many things going on. Yeah.

Garret: I think I consider this to be, I feel like I’m more just existing than anything. Um, and so let me just start with, like, what’s going, what’s going on currently.

Like I just started a new job. That’s totally unrelated to music. Um, and that is I’m working at Stoneham middle school. I don’t know if you’ve ever been there. Um, but they have a program, a great program called rise and they have, um, it’s a, it’s a special education program and I’m just, I’m just helping out there.

Um, I’m working under someone who is a, um, a certified special education teacher. Um, it has nothing to do with music, um, and. So I just started that like on Thursday. And so right now I’m still trying to like, adjust to this totally opposite schedule, um, from what I’m used to, because I’m on school schedule now it’s been, so it’s like, school is eight to two 30 and like back on tour, like I would start work at 7:00 PM.

And like, if we had, it would be like 1:00 PM. Yeah. At the latest or, you know, like, or at the earliest, um, or noon, if they want us to come in, like all grumpy, like noon was early to us on tour, you know what I mean? So I’ve just been getting used to that. Um, before that I wasn’t doing a whole lot, like, I, you, you you’d be proud of me.

I broke out some of my like old Bach preludes and fugues, and I was trying to like, I was trying to get some technique back. So that was kind of cool for awhile. Um, I’ve been reading a lot. I’ve been watching a lot of TV, not gonna lie, um, just the usual, but it’s, it’s hard for it’s, especially, I think it’s especially hard for everyone, but performers in general.

It’s like, I don’t know. I think, I think you need to be. A certain level of crazy to be a performer, to the extent where like the perfect outlet is going on stage in front of people and expose your, literally your entire soul in front of everyone. Like that’s a good outlet outlet for your crazy, you know, and I mean that in the most loving way possible, because like most of my favorite people on the planet are performers.

Uh, but myself included like. I’ve been realizing lately. Like I talk to myself a lot and like, I, sometimes I catch myself like whispering to myself and it’s like, what? Don’t be concerned. But like,

Brian: I think, do you whisper to yourself?

Garret: I don’t know. I just have like conversations with myself. I’m like Gollum, but like, hopefully not

Brian: Sometimes, but like not out loud, just in my mind.

Garret: Oh, okay. Yeah, I think, I think over the past, like six or seven months of taking it a step further, or maybe I’m always been doing that, I’ve just had enough time to like catch myself in the act now

Brian: Maybe

Garret: So, but yeah, it’s tricky. And you know, when you don’t have, and this is the thing we’ve worked so hard towards, you know, getting to do one day and, um, you know, especially people, I can only really relate to people who are currently.

You know, on tours or had like this kind of steady thing going and you work so hard to get there. And then

Brian: Yeah,

Garret: You go from that to nothing and it’s, it really takes a toll on your, on your wellbeing, your mental wellbeing, you know, it’s just a shock. So, you know, I’ve been doing whatever I can. I’ve been just practicing and reading and watching TV and trying to exercise a little more.

Trying to train for our big Japan trip. Um,

Brian: That’s in,

Garret: Yeah. How about you?

Brian: Yeah. Um,

Garret: You never really stopped working, but

Brian: Now you said that Garrett, I completely wrote, remember that we’re supposed to be teaching each other programming. And I completely forgot about it. Oh, I completely forgot until you just mentioned it

Garret: Now I’m remembering another thing.

Yeah. I, Hey, I still have that book in my drawer, but I also just remembered. I’m like doing, I’m like literally. Book clubbing with it’s like a mini, like two person book club with a member of the, the company. So we’re like reading books and talking about them over FaceTime. So I’m doing that and yeah, I totally forgot about that too.

Then now I have another job and then

Brian: We should start

Garret: Doing that. We should do it. Um, yeah, I’m trying to think

Brian: Of like, when you have a job

Garret: At the time to make it like a regular thing, but like I’d be down to try.

Brian: Well, it doesn’t have to be like crazy, you know, just, just an hour a week,

Garret: Like a casual thing.

Brian: Yeah. Yeah.

Garret: Let’s see. I want to keep it casual Friday and I’m not ready for like a full commitment with you. Well,

Brian: Here’s, here’s how I think it’s

Garret: Great and everything, but

Brian: Right now can’t you shouldn’t have too much at me. Um, my here’s how I think it’s going to go. I think it’s going to go casual. And then you’re actually gonna find out that you really enjoy it.

Cause I actually feel like you’re someone who would enjoy programming. Cause, uh, especially as an escape from the world that we live in right now, like programming is all logic, right? If this, then this happens, you know, there’s no like there’s no gray areas. Like all of this crap that we’ve seen in the world now where people can’t even understand facts.

And as I think from, right, what were you discussing the first hour of this? So I think from, from that respect, I think you would really enjoy it. And also just your math background, uh, I think would actually, um, be very beneficial to that. So I think you’ll actually end up enjoying it as a casual thing.

And then you’ll probably start to, um, get more interested into it and actually push yourself. And then I think that’s, what’s going to happen.

Garret: And then I’m going to be one of those time programmers and make millions of dollars. Why not?

Brian: Why not? Why not?

Garret: I may never go back to music.

Brian: Right. Have you ever heard of cyber security bug bounties?

So I was listening to a podcast about cyber security, which is basically like. How to secure networks and software and stuff like that. So apparently there’s these like bug bounty sites where companies like Facebook, Twitter, Google, whatever, like all companies from big to small, they say like, if, if you find a bug in our software, then uh, then we’ll pay you.

So like, and the point behind that is instead of you selling that bug to the black market, right. And then hackers doing what, whatever. Right. Uh, you just disclose it directly to the company so they can fix it. So that is, turns out that, right. So, so it turns out if you like, get good enough at this, you can make like a hundred grand a day doing this kind of thing a

Garret: Day.


Brian: Yeah. So

Garret: Like, that’s kind of like.

Brian: Well, like that doesn’t really require any programming much like, uh, that just requires you to understand like network topology, which is like the way that, that a network is set up and just like a basic understanding of how, um, code works and stuff like that. Yeah.

So this guy was talking about how he spent like two years just reading blogs, reading books, and then he got good enough. Uh, So start doing these bug bounties dudes making like 800 grand a year now, just, just on his laptop, just doing bug bounties. So like if you open yourself up to all of this technology and quite frankly, I think the way that the trajectory that the world is going down now, where everything is becoming more.

Run by software, you know, uh, I think it would be very bad thing to not at least have like a basic understanding of software. So, okay. I think anything that like you can do, I can do, or we can do together to, to get more advanced in that kind of thing is definitely a good thing.

Garret: Sure. I’ll do it just for the title, cyber security bug bounty.

And I want them to make Garrett Healey. Like

Brian: Comma,

Garret: My resume is going to be music, director,

Brian: Comma, cyber security, bounty Hunter, comma, uh, elementary school teacher.

Garret: Technically, technically my title is paraprofessional and I am not even close, but to do that

Brian: Right. Soon soon, soon. Well, yeah, we, we should get started on that.

Um, sure. Let me, we can talk about that

Garret: After.

Brian: Yeah, but I mean, like, besides that, it’s just been, it’s just been working and, uh, raising kid. That’s awesome. It’s been really tough

Garret: And, and programming him to hate me,

Brian: Right. Uh, training him. Um, could you sensitizing him to your face?

Garret: Training him to swap me away.

Whenever, whenever he sees my face, chin who’s this

Brian: Teacher throw a dart. If you see that face, just poison dart right there.

Garret: You’re going to have a taser with you at all times, just for this one person, right?

Brian: Yeah. Well, we’re actually working on the darts now. I have him pretty accurate around like 15 feet now or trying to.

Like expand. So he has more range to hit.

Garret: You have like, you have like an actual sized version of my face.

Brian: Yeah. Why would it not? I mean, it doesn’t everyone

Garret: Of my face.

Brian: Yeah. Just like display it proudly. That would

Garret: Be aggressively upsetting to me. But also,

Brian: You know, how in China, they had like portraits of Moussa dong or whatever.

Who? I think it was Moussa dong back in, back in the day. Yeah. So each house had to have like a portrait. That’s like the same thing.

Garret: Oh,

Brian: Okay. Well we just have like a 3d maybe.

Garret: Yeah. Maybe that’d be weirdly flattered because I know like, if that was a real, if you weren’t kidding about that, like I’d be kind of flattered coming from you because like we’re friends.

I don’t know if certain people having it, like they would, because I know certain people don’t like me and if like they had it, it, I would be concerned for my safety. But now I see that’s besides the point.

Brian: Well, I can’t think of a reason why someone wouldn’t like you,

Garret: Why someone would like me?

Brian: Wouldn’t.

Garret: That is the nicest thing you’ve ever said to me. Are you okay?

Brian: Uh, I didn’t drink my coffee yet. Can you get

Garret: Jun over here to take your temperature and possibly cure you? Because he’s

Brian: Oh, what if I have a fever then they’re going to think I have COVID

Garret: Well, I’m sure Jun has the cure. I’m sure. He’s the only one he’s like hiding it away.

Brian: His name is June not

Garret: Jim. You say Jim? June

Brian: June, June say we, we recently realized that it’s like very difficult for people who speak English as their first language to distinguish between June and Jun.

Garret: Is that why you say Jun?

Brian: No, I say June.

Garret: No, you don’t

Brian: See it. See, like, what you’re saying is he’s my son.

I know his name.

Garret: I know you know his name, but I hear you say Junger,

Brian: Junger. Junger.

Garret: So what I hear is, say it again,

Brian: Jun?

Garret: No, no, no, no. That’s not what I hear when you say it, normally Junger, when

Brian: Jun, Jun.

Garret: So the first one you said, when you do it fast, when you do it quickly here, Junger, I know it’s spelled J U

Brian: N.


Garret: Right. But when you, okay,

Brian: I’ve actually,

Garret: I’ve actually been wondering about this because I actually wanted to ask you. Earlier. Yeah, it was too embarrassed because I know you say your kid’s name because you, I mean, you post on you post on like Instagram and Facebook about them and say J U N, and then I zoom with you and he’s there and you’re like, Shinjin maybe it’s just cause you’re saying it so quickly.

Brian: Yeah. I think it’s the quickness like Junger, Junger, Junger. Yeah

Garret: To my ears. That sounds like two Jun’s.

Brian: Oh, okay.

Garret: Two Jun and tonics.

Brian: Well, two Jun and time June I’ll hit. He should make a bar called Jun and tonic. He’s so famous. That would be so cool.

Garret: Yeah. Okay. So

Brian: I’d go there, Jun. Yeah.

Garret: Jun

Brian: Taking care of Jun is so difficult.

Garret: Yeah.

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: Well, he’s just such a genius.

Brian: He, he is a genius actually, but like he, I really think like he might be a genius really? Yeah. Like I I’m starting to have like that kind of suspicion, just watching how he acts compared to different kids and like he’s already observant and. And he just doesn’t seem like not even a two year old yet.

Yeah. You know, like, let me go to the playground. He’ll like all of the other kids will just be running, you know, not really using their brain much is like running, going down this lie, blah, blah, blah. But he’s just like walking everywhere, just looking. Yeah.

Garret: His quantum physics book, like just hanJung

Brian: He’s like writing down notes,

Garret: Like he has this quantum mechanics textbook, like his biggest, his head bigger than his head open. Yeah. Yeah. No, he’s no, no, he’s just to be honest, I can, I can see that like, if he, if he’s acting differently than people, or like sliding down the slide face first and like, Getting their heads stuck in the mud when they get down.

Yeah. I mean,

Brian: Yeah, like he’s just like, not into that. And, um, I suspect that he also has a little OCD, uh, cause he doesn’t really likes like really clean things. So sometimes he’ll go as far as actually to get the broom and start cleaning the house himself.

Garret: I think it’s because you play him so much Glenn Gould.

Brian: Maybe like, he’s like, Oh, it has to be, it’s like all the 16th notes has exactly the same velocity.

Garret: Will you play puck? Yeah. We’re writing out about music so hard. Could,

Brian: Could be, right? Yeah.

Garret: But I don’t care cause

Brian: Should never slow down back. Uh,

Garret: Yeah. So

Brian: Yeah, we do play a lot of Glenn Gould still and you play some Mozart for him.

Garret: Hey, OCD could totally be a nurture thing. Yeah, it’s okay. I’m pretty sure I have it. I really,

Brian: I do have it too. So, I mean, I don’t mind, but it’s just that, like, I notice he’s like very particular. He really likes to observe things and just, uh, he actually knows a lot more than, than I would expect him to at this age.

Yeah. Uh, just. Just like this morning, I told him to like, what did I say? Like, Oh, get, get the diaper and then, uh, pick, pick up my hands and go put it on my bed. And then he’s just like, and he went and did it.

Garret: He did all those things.

Brian: Yeah. Like he has this like most babies this age, I feel like are okay with single.

Instructions. Right. But I can give him like a list of five things to do and he’ll just put in his head and go do it. And I was like, wait, are babies supposed to be able to do that? Cause I don’t even think I


Garret: Do that.

Brian: Right. I don’t know if that could either. I have like short-term memory loss and, and like my wife’s just talking to her friends whose babies are like a little older.

And they’re like, yeah, he’s Jun seems like he’s ahead.

Garret: Yeah.

Brian: And the thing

Garret: Is like, we got to take them out. Right.

Brian: It’s it is suspicious. And the most suspicious thing is like, he, Jun is actually a little behind when it comes to speaking. Okay. But in terms of like mental capacity, I feel like he’s he’s ahead.

And I think part of the. The speaking thing is because we speak two languages at home. So I heard that for bilingual babies, it takes, takes a bit longer.

Garret: Yeah. Yeah. So what about in the home you’re in now? Do you speak one language? We’re just

Brian: Mostly right? Yeah. We mostly speak English cause I don’t speak Japanese.

Okay. The market on it.

Garret: Yeah. But when you were back here and you were, you were with like your family. Like you were speaking Chinese speaking Cantonese.

Brian: Yeah, we, yeah, we speak Cantonese

Garret: A lot because I’ve been in your house in Wakefield.

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: And it’s

Brian: Like, maybe he’s trilingual.

Garret: Hey. Yes.

Brian: Cause we were in Boston for

Garret: Like a while

Brian: Six months, six or seven months.

So he heard a mix of English and Cantonese there. And then back here. We do English at home or sometimes, uh, my wife speaks Japanese to him and then a daycare. It’s all Japanese. So heavy. He’s really a little confused. Yeah.

Garret: Carrots. Japanese.

Brian: Yeah. Orange.

Garret: Oh yeah. So dumb. Yeah. But, okay. So it makes it like he’s allowed to be a little behind.

Brian: Yeah. The poor kid and he’s making sense of all of that.

Garret: He’s trying to juggle his quantum mechanics textbook and three languages and finding a cure for COVID, but not being able to tell anyone.

Brian: Right. Well, and also the Astro physics, as well

Garret: As the astrophysics and the rocket science the most. Yeah. And the cyber security, uh, bug, he pioneered those right.

The poor kid.

Brian: What a busy baby.

Garret: I mean, if anything you should, you should slow. You should slow it down for, you should

Brian: Tone it down. Right. I should tone it down a bit.

Garret: Yeah. But keep the Glenn Gould. I like that.

Brian: Yeah. Clem gold. And then he really likes Mozart piano concerto, number 20. Like each time I play that, he’s just like,

Garret: Is that Dennis?

Dennis, Dennis

Brian: Yeah, maybe that’s the third movement, but the first movement is, uh, Oh shoot. Now I forgot it because I’m under pressure. Ben played it too. Back in, back in high school. Did you play for the dun dun dun dun.

Garret: You just sang to me Phantom of the opera now.

Brian: Well then Phantom copied it from Mozart.

Garret: Oh, Is this all right question. Is this, did Ben play it at his concert that I was at? Where you played Rachmaninoff?

Brian: I know, I think that one, he might’ve played F major Mozart.

Garret: Okay. Um, yeah, it was definitely the

Brian: One that Jared or the, yeah. Yeah. The one I’m talking about is, uh, DEMA D minor, I think just go listen to after this it’s really, really good.

That’s my favorite too. And it’s his favorite

Garret: Linked to Mozart piano concerto in D minor in the bio.

Brian: I will do that. I will do that.

Garret: You better? Do you hate me? Yes,

Brian: I do.

Garret: Yeah. I don’t think I said that.

Brian: I hate you about as much as I love Jun.

Garret: Oh, that’s a lot. Whoa. Oh, that’s deep. Now. I’m a little concerned for my safety.

Brian: That’s an endless bottom of hates. It really is. And that was a barrel of hate. Yeah.

Garret: But like, why is it hard to raise him for real?

Brian: Um, cause it’s just like, so mentally taxing. Uh, yeah. And, and like being the only person who works in the family, I try very hard to like, maintain. My mental bandwidth as much as possible.

So I’ve gotten to the point of like uninstalling Instagram from my phone. Uh, so now all of my Instagram posts is actually done through a scheduling service. Really?

Garret: I,

Brian: Yeah. As I just like schedule, because I still want to keep up like a presence because I like to share pictures, but like the process of like, Opening your phone, opening the app, choosing picture, writing something, and then posting it is very time consuming and not just time-consuming.

It’s have you heard about context switching?

Garret: No,

Brian: That’s, that’s something I’ve been very aware of lately. So the basic premise behind that is just like, uh, you should try to batch your lifestyle. Um, like certain kinds of tasks you should do at once. So for example, if I were to edit a bunch of videos, right.

Uh, and instead of doing each of them separately, uh, maybe I would actually spend Monday converting them all to the same format. Spending the next day editing, spending the next day finalizing and that’s for, for all of them. So you don’t switch in between the different contexts. So you don’t say like, let me convert and then switch, switch, switch.

Let me edit, switch, switch. Let me do this, et cetera. So I’m trying very hard to like, uh, structure my life in a way that I can reduce the amount of context. Switching as much as possible. And I found that like, that really helped. Uh, so it was just like an equation of how to maintain as much bandwidth as possible, because I know that taking care of Jun is going to be context switching all the time.

Right. Like, he’ll go over there and then yeah. I’ll try to do something and then he’ll be like, yeah. And then I’ll be like, Ugh. So now I have to go do something else.

Garret: That’s priority. Number one to Jun.

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: Right? Yeah. And that’s where the most context switching is going to happen. So the less you have otherwise the better.

Brian: Yeah. Cause he’s just so unpredictable, you know, like he’ll just be pounding all this in his playpen, doing something and then he’ll just be like, stand up and then he’ll be like, which means take me to the park and then.

Garret: This is crazy. This

Brian: Kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has his own language now. So like Baumbach means peanut butter.

Garret: I’m going to start using this stuff.

Brian: Yeah. What else? Like bound by means peanut butter, a Bible. I means Apple. Most of his words beJun with B. It’s funny.

Garret: But did these have any roots anywhere? These words

Brian: Now? I, I think it’s a. I think it’s not really an issue. It’s like a, a factor of his hearing systems still developing.

So I think the nerves in between his ears and his brain isn’t like complete yet. Yeah. So when we say something, he hears it as something else. Uh, and I tested this actually, so I told him to say Apple, right? And then he says bowel, but when I tell him to say bowel, he says something else.

Garret: Oh, like when you tell him the thing, you know, that he can physically say,

Brian: Yeah,

Garret: He says a different, Oh, that’s so strange.

Brian: Yeah. So what is coming out of his mouth and what is going in through his ears is, is different. I think so

Garret: Maybe it’s the, maybe it’s the trilingual thing.

Brian: I dunno. It’d

Garret: Be something to do with that.

Brian: Yeah. And he, and that problem mostly comes from multi. Syllabic words. So like he, he can say car just fine.

You know, if I tell him to say car, he’ll say car, he can say cow, uh, he can say hi, but once you start getting into like, Oh, say peanut butter. And then I think that kind of overloads something and he’s like ball,

Garret: But that’s so drastically different.

Brian: Right. But, but then if I’m like, say Baum bull, then he’ll say something else.

So I think he’s actually trying to say peanut butter, but it’s coming out as bowel and ball.

Garret: What if you tell them to say, wow,

Brian: That’s amazing. I think he can say,

Garret: Yeah. That’s

Brian: Cause that’s technically like one kind of syllable just repeated. Uh, yeah, just Wawa, but he can say taxi. He’s like Tashi, Kashi,

Garret: Kashi.

There’s like no rules to this

Brian: Kid. Yeah. Well, I think it’s like certain syllables are easier for him to interpret. So like, I think the T sound is, is okay for him, but he, I think he has difficulty with like, The sound like at like Apple, Apple. Okay. Or, and like peanut butter is just like difficult because it’s long.

He just gives up Whiteside, Whiteside,

darts. Yeah. Dark, dark dark file. Oh my God.

Garret: Well, I think, I think that when you have a child, I mean, it’s just going to be the busy, like, especially at his age, it’s going to be like the busiest time of your life. So I think keeping up quite well

Brian: And like, yeah, it’s just, just like trying to reduce as much BS as possible.


Garret: Yeah, like what is the schedule thing you ever Instagram? So you’re not, you’re not actually. Posting those pictures when you do, I’m not really on Instagram. So I don’t,

Brian: I dunno. So, right. Yeah. There’s like different, there’s like different services that let you schedule posts for different channels. So I dunno, they support Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and it’s mainly targeted towards businesses, right?

Like if you’re a business you don’t want to have to like manually go and post each time you want to post, right. You at least want it to. Schedule your social strategy slash posts like a few weeks ahead. So, so there’s these tools out there. Yeah.

Garret: Yeah. So you, you, you put your post into, is it like an app or what, what kind of services that you, that you,

Brian: Yeah, so there’s like an app, but I just do it online.

There’s the one that I use is called buffer. Okay. Uh, so it’s and, uh, Basically like maybe on Sunday sometimes I just spend 15 minutes just uploading like 10 pictures and, uh, it posts like three times a day. And then it’ll just,


Garret: You say, I want, I want this picture to get posted at this time, or do you just say I want three every day or

Brian: You can either.

Uh, specify the time or, uh, you can just say like all I wanted to do three posts a day and then the Apple kind of, uh, choose the times for you. That’s so cool. And then for each slot you just upload your picture and your description and at the right time, it’ll just upload it.

Garret: That is so cool.

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: If I had more interesting things to post I’d totally use that.

Brian: No, I, I, I think you. Even if you’re like someone who’s not as busy as me, I think it’s still important to maintain as much of your bandwidth as possible. And like, um, unless you explicitly want to spend time on Instagram, which right. I don’t really care for no me either. Then. Then I think you should use an app that you can just schedule a bunch of posts and just forget about it for a few days.

Garret: And, you know, as neutral as I tried to seem in our first hour, like, I’m pretty sure the message that I’m not a huge fan of social media came

Brian: Up. Right? Yeah. Uh, so yeah, I also want to say that, like, I’m not, I don’t consider myself a fan. I don’t use it just to like browse. Yeah. Unless the like doom scrolling is, or they call it right.

You just scroll, scroll. Yeah. Until your death or whatever. Uh, right. But action. Yeah. But for me it’s more just, you know, cause I’m very much always not self-employed, but I’m doing like side gigs and stuff like that. So it’s just an easy way for me. To promote stuff. Like if I want to contact a camera company to see if I can, uh, test out a new camera, I can say like, Oh, go check out my portfolio here.

Okay. So I have this history of pictures that I post on Instagram so they can see this. Guy’s not just some random person who has no skills, right? Yeah. So I, I think using social media as a tool in that respect is fine, but I, I completely agree that where. Where are your, like the points that you say, like, I’m not a fan of social media.

I, I hate what platforms like Facebook or Facebook are doing are doing to people. Yeah. You know, like how much, many people did you see over the past few weeks? Just spend their entire day on Facebook. Yeah. Every 15 minutes. This is the vote count, blah, blah, blah. Right. No one gives a shit. Yeah. You’re just, you are just broadcasting this message to people within your own tribe.

So it’s not even like you’re. Teaching anything new to people, right. It’s just constant. Like what’s the pur, like what, what’s the point of this? Let’s seriously. Like, that’s the

Garret: Point? I don’t know. And I don’t, yeah. I never understood, you know, posting something like that where it’s like, yeah, we all know, like, I, I, it’s fine.

Whatever, like live your own life. But, um, the way I see social media is because I’m not like. I’m not someone who likes to just stay on there all the time, but like, I will post like a couple of times a year or something, but what I want to post are things that are actually significant or meaningful or, um, something that I genuinely want to share with my friends for a good reason.

Like, I don’t want to just like give, I don’t want to post something. That’s like, Something you could easily look up on Google, you know, like this is a life, this is something that happened in my life that I’m excited about. And I want you all to know I’m thrilled about this. Or like I posted something the other day, like I bought like a cool program.

I bought, I bought like a key scape for my, uh, and I was like fooling around with it and I made a video and I posted that and I was like, listen, this sounds so good. Um, but like, I just. I don’t know, it has to be something that I find that excites me, you know, that I find. Right. Like, I, I, I want to post things that if I were on the other side and like looking at the post, something that I would want to look at or watch, or, you know, celebrate with that person about some achievement or, you know, it’s, it’s just.

It goes a little too far, far for me, but yeah. You know, do your own thing. Um,

Brian: Right.

Garret: But yeah. Well

Brian: I think like four or five years ago, I was much more actually active

Garret: Too. Oh,

Brian: Social media. Yeah, dude. And

Garret: Yeah, no, I want you to finish, but I do have something to say about that.

Brian: Yeah. And I, I found that, uh, Why I wanted to be on social media and why I wanted to like post stuff was, you know, seeing the comments, seeing the lights was also, it all goes back to like the dopamine hit.

Yeah. And I, and I think that’s the main reason I can kid myself and say other things. But now, like that was the main reason. And that’s fair. I found that did that like constant. Dopamine hit was actually affecting how I felt about actual accomplishments in real life. Where if I got a new job, I shouldn’t be so excited about this, but I don’t.

I’m just like, Oh, okay. Because it’s already like, I’m so used to the constant, dopamines had kind of thing. That real things that should make me excited did not. So I thought that was a really. Dangerous route to go down. So that’s kind of why I like dialed it down and, uh, found tools that allowed me to stay present, you know, as kind of a brand slash business without me having to actually do it.

Yeah. So I found that the results of that was I actually feel more enriched, uh, Where things in real life that happened to me, you know, make maybe like I met a new friend or something like that stuff excites me. If I like go out to meet a friend and we have a good chat, like that’s exciting. Uh, so yeah.

Yeah. That’s what I wanted to say.

Garret: Yeah. Yeah. Well, well there it is. It is a real thing. Like the, the dopamine hit is real and that’s why social media is something you can get. I think physically addicted to it because, um, you know, you post something and if it’s something exciting and you know, 30 people like it in the first five minutes or something, you see that and you feel

Brian: Your eyes glued to the screen

Garret: And you keep refreshing.

Yeah. And you’re like, look at how many people are liking it, but in real, in reality, That’s just kind of like simulate, that’s kind of like a drug, right? Where it’ll, it’ll like it’ll simulate a certain response in your body for a little bit of time, and then it’s going to crash because eventually all that, all the people are going to stop liking it and whatever, and that’s just totally going to go away as opposed to actually going out into the real world.

And like you said, making a new friend that lasts, you know, and that’s. And actually having like face-to-face conversation with someone as opposed to like seeing their words typed, you know, and that’s not to say, I see, I still love to share my accomplishments on social media, but it actually, I will say like if I post something and a lot of people like it and I see that I’m like, that does feel really good, but that’s exactly why.

I don’t post that much because I know some people, some people will do that and be like, Oh, I want this to keep going. So they keep posting and posting and posting, and then it becomes a situation where you can’t, you can’t get off the thing. And it’s harder for you to actually make real life connections and get the real thing.

Right. I dunno, I didn’t mean to rant, but

Brian: Oh, that’s. That’s completely true.

Garret: Oh yeah. But the thing I wanted to say is like, I get, um, like notificate like the, on this day notifications from like years ago. And I actually love those. I love looking back at like,

Brian: Oh yeah. That’s that’s my hair apart too.

Garret: Yeah. I actually liked that.

Like I think, yeah. And a lot of it’s like with you, like pictures that you know of Japan and stuff, but I like nine or 10 years ago. I said, I posted the dumbest stuff as my status because member, but remember when Facebook was like, it would be like, Brian is, and then you, you fill in the blank for your

Brian: Status.

A point of view. Yeah. Yeah. It was like third person or, or, well, I don’t know, like third person, first person, but I just know it was different. Yeah.

Garret: Yeah. And like, I would share every time, like I had, I had a cold or like, I’d be like, I’d be like, why is this essay taking so long?

Brian: Or like today Twitter’s for

Garret: Like, and like, I think I got one today.

It was like nine or 10 years ago today or something where it was just all caps. And it said the Beatles are on iTunes, exclamation point. We should put excellent, like 18 X. We should put, this is what I’m talking about. Like we know, we know that was

Brian: Like a big thing. No one cares,

Garret: No one cares, but also like fans of the Beatles knew when the Beatles were on iTunes for the first time, because that was a big thing.

It was so

Brian: Funny,

Garret: Had a great weekend smiley face

Brian: Who cares

Garret: Fringe worthy. It’s like shut I, Garrett.

Brian: I did like the exact same thing where it’s your constant updates and yeah, I like the funny thing is I don’t even remember if I had an, an iPhone, so. I’m might’ve been like going on Facebook on the web browser or my flip phone or something and like typing these things out, just

Garret: Like run through a computer to say I had a good day.


Brian: Right. But that was the norm

Garret: Back then

Brian: That wasn’t normal. And it’s interesting how much, the way that people use Facebook has changed. Like I remember back in high school, people would post like, Oh, Uh, I’m not going to name this person. Let’s just call him Dave. Okay. Like Dave is taking a poop and like, why does that happen to be shared on the internet?

Uh, just a completely Dow I think no one would post like those kinds of things. Now it’s just, uh, you know, this book has become, and I almost prefer it to be what it used to be, where it was just like, Nonsense, like kind of casual. Now Facebook is actually becoming a weapon where people use it to like propagate ideas that aren’t factual and pushing it to different people.

And they don’t know it’s a weapon, but that’s why it’s such a strong weapon. And it’s just

Garret: Totally social

Brian: Media has, has become weaponized. Yeah. No. I was just like coming home from high

Garret: School,

Brian: Getting my license today, right? Yeah.

Garret: It’s like, no, it’s

Brian: A, it’s supposed to be

Garret: A fun thing that connects people. I think that’s the main thing and that’s true.

It’s one of the, you know, and that’s also, I think, you know, like dear Evan Hansen, for example, this is like one of the main themes. Like social media can be used as a weapon. When I think it’s like, Uh, its oriJunal intent was just, it’s a great visit is amazing miraculous thing, but really only if you’re using it to connect with people that you couldn’t otherwise connect with, like me and you, for instance, you know, like we’ll Facebook back and forth or something, um, or to share like accomplishments.

So like, yeah, I see what you’re saying. It’s just that we need to, I wish we could go back to just using it as like. A chill, casual, fun, like, look what I did today. All my friends and everyone would be like, that’s great. Good for you.

Brian: Yeah. Yeah. I, I definitely miss that as well, but like, since that time Facebook has become like, they’re completely beholden to their shareholders.

So they’re, they’re all is incentivized to mine as much product, which in this case is, is, uh, is attention. As much as possible. So, yeah. So from that, they design the experience in a certain way down to what information exactly. Facebook presents to you. And, uh, since, since those times back then when Facebook, when they’re like backend stuff was still not as advanced, like it was still very much just like a timeline of stuff.

Like you saw what your friends posted. There was no. Or there was less like tailoring the information to fit what Facebook thinks will get most of your attention. So, uh, now it’s a completely different story, so, um, yeah.

Garret: Yeah. And it’s, I think it’s a little sad to me thinking about it because it was the norm back then, uh, and boot.

But now today when I get these, like on these, on this day notification. Well, when I get those and I look back, I just roll my eyes and I’m like, I was the dumbest person, but actually back then, that’s what, that’s how people used it.

Brian: Yeah, it was so fun.

Garret: And it’s like, it’s, I can’t even imaJune myself being like that now.

And he showed

Brian: It to me. Start the trend again,

Garret: Start say, Hey, Ribera,

Brian: Healey is going for a poop.

Brian leaves, fingers are tired after playing Rachmaninoff.

Garret: How do you think people would respond if the two of us just started posting like that again? Just with no,

Brian: Honestly, they’d probably, they probably, they would probably ignore it.

Garret: They would, and

Brian: I don’t know part of what they want to see.

Garret: Yeah. And remember when you couldn’t even comment on things, you just had to like post on someone’s wall and then they’d post back on your wall.

Brian: I don’t remember.

Garret: That was a whole thing, but it was starting out. You couldn’t comment on people’s. I don’t even know if you I’m sure you could like them, but.

Brian: Yeah, they, they should do that because the comments sections are always filled with crap. Like that’s the worst place of any website, like Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, whatever.

Like the comments section is always so toxic though.

Garret: Yeah. Although my favorite, my favorite thing, literally, I’m not exaggerating here. My favorite thing about the, the notifications I get is whenever I see a status. And you and I have like a comment or in the comment section, remember like nine or 10 years ago, we would do this.

And it would be just like compile quotes and calling each other

Brian: Ugly and stupid. Yeah. Oh God. And then once

Garret: In awhile, once in a while someone would butt in and be like children behaviors up there are like, I love this conversation.

Brian: I think like Brendan would probably come in and be like children behave.

Garret: Yes.

Brian: The worry would have been like something he would do.

Garret: I love Brendan.

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: Or he’d be like, this is, this is, I love this conversation so much.

Brian: Yeah. This is exactly what I came to Facebook

Garret: To see. Yeah. And back then it was,

Brian: Yeah, it’s

Garret: Done for


Brian: Yeah.

Garret: Yeah. We’re just living in the past now, everybody.


Brian: I think it’s about that age for us, you know, we’re getting closer to 30 and. We’re actually reminiscing about the past. So

Garret: Yeah. And watching comes how, in my basement,

Brian: How speaking of watching movies, we, we never finished that certain movie that we were watching

Garret: Together. We didn’t, and I didn’t, I didn’t finish it.

I was waiting for you.

Brian: Yeah, we should. We should do that. Maybe this weekend.

Garret: Yeah. I would love that. Oh, Nope. Let’s do that this weekend. And I want you to make me a promise that’s related to movies, but not related to that particular movie. The first time you show Jun compile, I want to be back.

Brian: Oh God, what age do you think would be appropriate to show, to show that movie too?

Garret: Um, well we watched it in like, was it middle school or high school? Probably high school.

Brian: Hmm. I think it might have been like either eighth grade or the very beJunning of high school. When did we, for some reason, I think it was eighth grade.

Garret: When did we become really good friends?

Brian: I don’t remember. It might’ve been

Garret: Middle school.

Yeah. It might’ve been like end to middle school and it might’ve been because of that movie.

Brian: Yeah,

Garret: You might’ve come out to me yeah. One day and be like, you want to watch this movie with me?

Brian: Yeah. So maybe, maybe you, when June’s eighth grade though, have you seen shin Chan?

Garret: No.

Brian: Shane Shane is like this dirty Japanese cartoon. That’s like the whole premise of it is just like this, uh, this really young kid, I think he’s supposed to be, I don’t know. I don’t know how old he’s supposed to be like elementary school.

Uh, so if you just, I think you should go online and just search for shin Chan. Uh, so you can kind of get a picture of what this kid looks like

Garret: Of what, okay. The first

Brian: Place.

Garret: How do you

Brian: Spell it? A shin. So that’s S H I N.

Garret: Okay.

Brian: Uh, Chan C H a N a N. And it’s two words.

Garret: Oh, so crayon Shinjin

Brian: Yeah. Yeah. If you just go to Google images, so this is a kid, right?

So we’ll, we’ll link to this in the description. So the point of this. Cartoon is just, first of all, it’s like super dirty where he just goes around and basically he’s like, Ooh, look at that. And then he’ll like pull off his pants and start showing off his butt and stuff. And

Garret: I’m seeing that like, pictures of his, but there’s a lot of them actually.

Brian: Yeah. So. Further for those who are, are not aware, we’re actually talking about a cartoon. So we’re not actually talking about real life kids showing butts. That’s weird.

Garret: That’s not what I Google imaged.

Brian: Yeah. Right. So if you Google shin Chan is this kid he’s like dressed in red shirt, yellow pants. And, uh, when you actually watched the English dubbed version, his voice is like, Really not like a kid’s voice.

Like it’s kind of got that family guy kind of vibe where yeah.

Garret: That’s what I’m picturing.

Brian: Yeah. So his voice is like,

Garret: Ooh, look at the Ludy

Brian: You want to come home with me? And it’s supposed to be, I think he’s supposed to be in elementary school as he goes to school and his mom’s just like, stop. And then like, uh, there’s this, there’s a bunch of like, subplots about, uh, Just like his dad checking out other girls and just, it’s like very dirty sexual, like weird Japanese kind of thing.

And I was surprised cause like kids just watch it here. Really. Like parents just show it to their kids. It’s like a popular cartoon for kids. And actually the funny thing is my parents also showed this to me when I was young. It’s like also popular in. Hong Kong.

Garret: Oh, that explains a lot about you. Right.

Brian: It’s all thinking. So, right. So I was just thinking like, maybe like, is it okay for kids to watch this show? I think you should go on YouTube later on and just watch. Uh, like shin Chan pass moments or something and you’ll get,

Garret: Oh, I’m definitely going to,

Brian: Yeah, you’ll get a good idea of what this is. Is this it’s hilarious.

Garret: Is this Japanese or Chinese?

Brian: It was oriJunally Japanese, but there’s an English dub. Yeah. And actually it used to be on Netflix and, uh, now it’s not for some reason, but it used to be on Netflix and one summer Mike Windsor and I just like binged the entire, uh, Episode one to whatever the last one was.

It’s just like so funny.

Garret: So fun. Yeah. I want to do that. Are you going to show it to Jun?

Brian: Well, I feel like he’ll see it, no matter what, maybe they watch it at school

Garret: On a

Brian: Sludge at school. I’ll do that daycare. Uh, it’s kind of hard to not be corrupted as a kid growing up in Tokyo. Cause it’s like a big city.

So there is. Uh, a lot of like adult places, especially in Japan, there’s so many like weird adult places. And maybe we can like wrap up with this, just talking about Japan and our future plans. Uh, but, but yeah, I was just gonna say like there, so like there’s a focus on sexual services in Japan. And it’s like not looked down upon and it’s so interesting.

Like there’s, there’s places where guys can actually just so there’s like a girl’s bar. It’s called guys bar girls rather than girls bar. And basically guys can just go there and pay money to talk to girls. And like the, and the girls who work there, like their only job is to talk to guys and like, make them feel good.

And like that kind of place does not exist in America, I think, or, uh, many other places. And of course there’s all these like sexual shops slash services where it’s technically not prostitution, but

Garret: Yeah. So are these different from like strip clubs?

Brian: Yeah. Because strip clubs, you, you just go watch right.

Garret: Pretty much, but you can pay extra, but these other personalized, a

Brian: Personalized, well there’s these things called soap lands here where, uh, the premise of it is like in order to comply with the law of the losses, no prostitution, but it’s okay to pay someone for another service. And then what happens after that is just whatever.

Uh, so these plans, the thick of a side of it. Yeah. You go pay for a massage or you go pay for someone to wash your body. That’s the thing you go pay for someone to wash your body. And then what happens after that is, you know, uh, I think the loss has like, as long as there’s a relationship between the two people, uh, then, then it’s fine.

Wash your body. You can say like, Oh, we got to know each other. We’re a friends down. Uh, Y whatever after that. So there’s, there’s like a focus on that kind of thing. And I think it’s not illegal because most of these are targeted towards older men. And a lot of the people who are working in government are used to going to these places.

So. Why would they want to ban them? So there’s, there’s just like so much adult stuff. And there is still like shops where you can go in to buy VHS tapes and DVDs of like adult shows. And yeah, that’s very interesting.

Garret: Yeah. So like, is it, so how common is it for, uh, one of the, like, you know, if you go in to get your body washed or.

Yeah, the massage. How common is it for something to happen after that? Is it like a really regular thing? Cause I don’t think here’s where if you go in to get a massage, that’s what you’re getting,

Brian: You know? Yeah. Well, there’s like different things. There’s like legit massage places where you just go get a massage and it’s, it’s like very professional.

Uh, et cetera. And then there’s like these other obvious places where it’s like, they advertise massage, but you’re not going there for not like a back massage. And then when you’re taking a look at the soap lands where, um, they advertise, you know, relaxation services, like no one’s going there for like, I don’t want to say legit, but like a normal.

Relaxation thing, right? Like where maybe you just sit somewhere and someone massage your back, you breathe in some essential oils or whatever. Uh, that’s not what it is. So these places are like explicit kind of, uh, like people know what they are. Uh, but they still exist because it’s not illegal.

Garret: That’s so interesting.

And they make it. Yeah. They like kind of heavily imply it in their advertisements. Like you can tell when you’re signing up for like a soul plan thing versus just a legit massage or whatever.

Brian: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So all of those places, they basically have like a menu of different girls. So it was like, if you were just doing a massage, why would you need a menu?

Yeah. Where like the girls are half naked and it like shows the body size and centimeters. It’s like, why would you need that? If you were just getting a massage

Garret: Or I think that’s the example I need to understand.

Brian: And this and these things are like really accepted. Like it’s not really looked as a taboo kind of thing.

Right. You know, it’s and that’s kind of why I think Japan’s birth rate is ha is like on his way down. Cause they see like those sexual kind of things as more of a service, not as a way to, you know, make more people in the country. So, and that goes all the way over to you can actually hire a boyfriend or girlfriend really.

Yeah. So you can hire a girlfriend to like go to the bar with you for a night. And it’s just like a fun time, you know, get to talk to someone and then there’s nothing after that, you know, they don’t go home with you. It’s just, okay. Now if you, and that, that is also a result of the work culture. So it all boils down to the work culture where people work too much.

They don’t have time to like actually go out and meet people. So, but they still want that. No sense of social activity. So like the Japanese way is like, let’s look at this, like what’s the most efficient way to do this. The most efficient way is not to make work culture better. The most efficient way is just to make girlfriend and boyfriend as a service.


Garret: So they’re focusing on the wrong things. Yeah.

Brian: Yeah. And that’s like a, I think that’s kind of a product of the way of the Japanese mentality. Like you can see from the way that they design their cities to their transportation, et cetera. Like there’s a huge focus on like, efficiency, right? Uh, I think, I, I think like last year, um, the total amount of time that trains were delayed combined was less than one minute.

Yep. Just like that’s always on time. Like, yeah. Like all year, the total combined time was less than a minute for all trailers all year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You’ve gotten good. If, no, I’m not kidding you. Like, uh, the subway person, they actually have a clock and they measure it down to it 10th of a second to arrive at the station.

So. Like there’s this right. Of course that would never happen in Boston. It’s like three hours late, whatever. Right? Oh yeah. It’s like the orange line might not show up. Who knows?

Garret: Yep. So yeah, just another Tuesday.

Brian: Yeah. This one stunk.

Garret: I was one stuck underground. Well, this was in New York, but I think it was the, it was probably like the aide trainers.

Might’ve been the, a train

Brian: Or the

Garret: Two or something because I was going uptown. I was stuck underground for an hour and a half. Like it was just stopped just literally. So we were getting

Brian: An hour and a half.

Garret: Yeah. Like, yeah, we were like under, we were underground, like in a tunnel and they couldn’t open the doors.

We were stuck in the car for an hour and a half. And then once they figured it out, yeah, it was that bad. And then once they got it under control, we had to go backwards to like, All the way back, you know what? It was like the Adrian, cause I remember we were at like in like the one tens and we had to go all the

Brian: Way backwards all the way to 15.

Garret: Yeah. It’s blue. Yeah. So that’s the express, right? So it goes from,

Brian: Oh yeah.

Garret: The big thing about that as it goes from 59th street, all the way up to like one 25th. And I think we were like approaching one 25th we’re in the 100 somewhere, but we had to go backwards. All the way back to 59th street and then they had to fix things there.

And then we’ve got to go back up.

Brian: Jeez.

Garret: So it was like a three hour commute.

Brian: That’s crazy.

Garret: But yeah. Sorry. Back to your back to Japan and how accurate they are. And it’s not the same here.

Brian: Oh yeah. I was just saying like, there is a focus and it’s almost like bread into, uh, It’s like bread into the kids as part of the, the school system, I guess.

And just how parents raise the kids. You know, there’s a focus on being punctual, uh, a focus on, you know, being nice to people, uh, like Japanese kids at their schools, they, and starting in elementary school. I think they actually, uh, after classes they cleaned the school. And so like instead of the janitor having to clean, they go ahead and like clean them, clean the classroom and stuff.

And uh, Oh, some schools even have them cook their own meals. So all the kids cook their own meals together really. Uh, and it’s super healthy, like fish, rice, vegetables. Uh, it’s not this like mozzarella stick, like this dates. Oh, we had, I was recently talking to my wife about this. Like we had the worst school lunches, right.

From a health perspective. Yup. Just think about it. Pizza as I like pasta with some questionable sauce. Uh, French fries, mozzarella sticks. Chicken nuggets.

Garret: Yep. I was just in a cafe. I was just in a cafeteria today. Like helping kids get their lunch and that’s exactly the

Brian: Menu. Yeah. And I actually showed that to her and she was like, what the heck are they feeding these kids?

Like here? Yeah. They have like a, a small portion of rice. They have vegetables, fish, tofu, uh, every single day. And they actually cook it themselves sometimes, uh, just in the school and. And miso soup, you know, maybe a small fruit dessert after. And I was thinking like, I feel like the way that America is feeding the kids in school has a huge impact on how their brain develops.

Garret: Yeah.

Brian: Like totally. You’re basically giving all these kids junk food, like, and then soda, right. Soda is the worst thing. Like I think. Most schools probably have band soda, but some kids still brought them from home. You know, some Pepsi or Coke or whatever. Yeah. It’s just the worst.

Garret: Yeah. It’s terrible. And everyone drinks it when they’re, when they’re like a kid here

Brian: Know like, you know why that is, right?

No, I, I watched a documentary about like why food in America is so bad for the kids. And it all has to do with corporate interests. So like the schools have these special partnerships with these food companies and, and they just like send the schools, this crap. And there’s all this like brainwashing marketing saying like, this is how you can, uh, like be efficient with your school budget.

Right. But there’s act, and it’s all like corporate interests where, uh, the corporations are basically, um, injecting kids with this like food crap. Uh, cause they’re saying that like, this is the best way to do it. And yeah, there’s like a, there’s kind of a new movement where some schools are like saying, wait, this sounds like it could be wrong and evil.

The cafeteria is right, right. Like it’s terrible. Like chicken nuggets, French fries. Why are we doing this? So there’s actually some schools, there’s some sort of movement going on for. The schools to kind of source ingredients locally, uh, and then actually cook real meals. And it actually turns out to be cheaper than what they were paying before.

Yeah, that’s

Garret: Absurd.

Brian: This is just like completely ridiculous because in America, there’s this kind of false brainwashing, propaganda where it’s like healthy food is expensive. You know, if you want vegetables, that’s going to cost more. Or like, if you want. This kind of healthy food. Uh, you’re going to have to spend a lot of money to feed all of your kids.

Right. It turns out that’s completely not true. And even if it was true, I mean, come on. Like these are kids and the food that you eat are going to change the way that their brain develops. And ultimately that could be like a national security advantage and all over the kids that we raise in this country end up being really smart.


Garret: Yeah. Yeah, that’s

Brian: One of

Garret: That’s one of, so when you have a child that is like one of the, one of two most important things you should be investing in with your child, it’s like the roof over your head and the food you’re feeding your child. Those should be like, well, I’m sure there are other expenses, you know, but like, those are like two of the main things, right?

So like, you might as well invest in good, healthy food for your kid. Like if that’s going

Brian: To be, I think food is very important. Like I think it gets less important and by say less important, I mean, to a very small degree, like I think it gets less important maybe in the last two years of high school, because the development of the brain, I mean, it doesn’t stop until your mid twenties, but, uh, most of the growth is going to happen from elementary to the B to the beJunning of high school.

So to be. Poisoning. And that is what it is to be poisoning your kids with like soda, uh, chicken nuggets, mozzarella sticks, peace pizza, pasta. It’s like, it’s a proven fact that we need certain fight amens, you know, in certain kinds of things in order for us to grow up healthy. Yes, no everything from our brains to our bones, to our muscles, to our organs, whatever.

Needs like a certain kind of nutrient balance and just the idea. And I didn’t really pay attention to this until I had a kid, which I, which I think is part of the problem. Like, uh, right. Maybe the people who are making the rules, maybe they, they don’t have kids or I don’t know what it’s, what’s going on, but yeah, I’m like, I’m not going to send John over to a school in.

America. Cause you know, they just, they don’t care about how these kids' brains are growing up. It’s crazy.

Garret: Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, they, you hear all the time, like when you’re, when you’re a kid, you’re, that’s when your brain that’s when it’s developing the fastest. Right. So you hear all the time, like your brain is like a sponge.

Well, I think the whole idea. Is to make that brain be as efficient a sponge as possible so that you can, you can soak up as just as like, as much stuff as possible. And the way that’s going to happen is by giving your kid the right, you know, a well balanced, healthy, I don’t know about organic. I mean, I, I’m a big fan of organic, but like that might be besides the point, but like, Giving him or her the best nutrients possible.

That’s how the brain is going to soak up all this, all these new stimuli and all this new information that like, and you’re right. I think there is a point where the brain stops like developing or, or, you know, and that’s why I now like whispered to myself. And that’s why I don’t know a lot of things. And I have.

Brian: No, I it’s. It’s just like the brain is going to develop no matter what it’s just like, are you equipping the brain for the best path possible for

Garret: Okay.

Brian: You know, for it to soak up everything for it, to make new connections with the neurons and stuff. And it’s just, it doesn’t take a genius to, to understand that this is true.

I mean, if you just go and like drink a liter of Coke, which. It turns out some kids do do in the States, you know, they just go home, drink the Coke straight from the bottle afterwards. You just feel like, Oh, like I don’t want to do anything. Right. Yeah. It’s yeah. It’s very, it’s very concerning.

Garret: Yeah. Whereas if you go and have a salad with like a piece of salmon on it, all of a sudden you’re ready to go.

Yeah. It’s important. It’s important. As much as I want you to. You guys to be here closer. I think Jun would do really well. I mean, probably do better there.

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: As long as he’s not the kind that’s like pointing out random women and then pulling his pants down and

Brian: Show her, Hey, not, not like shin chin, we’re still kind of back and forth on what we’re going to do.

And there’s still, there are still some time, uh, and there’s pros and cons to both sides. In America, especially in like a place like Wakefield, maybe on the East coast where there’s a focused on extra curricular stuff. Like I really liked marching band and Oh yeah. And all of those things. So that was huge.

Like, that’s, that’s one thing that I like. And, but like over here, there’s kind of a focus on, um, equipping the kids with like real life skills, like, Oh, how do you cook a basic meal? Hmm, or how do you clean the house? Uh, how do you do chores? Right. That’s chores is a big thing. I feel parents here don’t really have an issue with that because the kids are taught to clean up after themselves at school.

And they’re just used to it.

Garret: Then they don’t get any of that extracurricular stuff too, you know?

Brian: Well, yeah, like they do, but I think it’s less prioritized. Okay. As it turns out, a lot of kids here from elementary school through, through high school, after they have school, they actually go to what’s called second school.

So they get out of school maybe at like three or four, and then they go to second school until dinnertime. Yeah. That’s why

Garret: The second school,

Brian: Second school they learn. Like more and it’s not literally school except more time fired. I think it’s like helping them, like with their homework or like building more context into the lesson or whatever.

And, uh, but it’s not required. You know, most parents do send kids to that because it’s just the thing to do here. But when I thought about as like, We’re not sending gender second schools, like kids should be able to enjoy their lives. You know, why, why would I force them to go to school from eight to three?

And then, Hey, let’s go to second school from three to six and then come home to have dinner and then do your homework. Like that’s ridiculous. So I, yeah, no. So I think that June is lucky in that respect because I have the context from outside of this country. Where there’s no such thing as second school where you go every single day.

Uh, so my wife thought the same as well. She was like, it’s kind of ridiculous. Cause when she grew up, she had to do it and she hated it. Okay. And then it’s like second school. So I was like, no, like Junger’s come home. Maybe like we can go shopping or maybe you can, you can go take like some guitar lesson or something, you know, just go swimming, go do sports.

I don’t want you to go to second school and just stare at the chalkboard yeah.

Garret: Memories that he cares.

Brian: Right. So I think like the thing with that, if we send him to somewhere else to do sports or something, that’s just gonna cost more money, you know, it’s not built into the education experience. Like marching band kind of was.

Yeah. Uh, you know, it’s, I think marshy man still costs some money, but it wasn’t like. Like crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like, it wasn’t really like a participation fee. Like you didn’t have to pay each time for the rehearsal and stuff like that, so,

Garret: Yeah. Or maybe he’s going to be like an insane jazz pianist, so it could just be in the jazz band and when Wakefield, all their golds and platinums, right.

Brian: No, he’ll play all the instruments at once. You will be the jazz vans. Now he’ll try out for every single thing. And then, uh, probably like Mr. Banker will still be there and he’ll be like, Oh my God, this kid is so good. I really can’t list anyone else for anything else. Cause he’s just so good. So he can play everything I want.

Garret: You know, the more we’re talking, the more we’re talking about this, the more I think that this kid’s going to have like a target on his back when he like, among the students, when he gets there. Cause he’s so good at everything, everyone just going to be behind him. Like,

but yeah, I think there are, there are definitely pros and cons like either way. I think like personally I think. I had a great high school experience. And it was because of things like marching band and jazz band, and, you know, like, like we were talking about our senior show and all those experiences. So, but, but also like there are, I mean, just to, just to reiterate, we’ve been saying there are like norms here.

Like the fact that kids just drink soda a lot. And like, I feel like. The mentality here is like, Oh, he’s a kid. Like he can eat whatever he wants.

Brian: Like,

Garret: It’s not a big deal. Like, we’ll go to McDonald’s. I won’t get anything because I’m the parent I’m in my thirties and I’ll feel bad. He won’t feel it at all.

You know?

Brian: No, he will. He just doesn’t know.

Garret: He just doesn’t know it yet. You know, like when I was growing up, like I love to go to Wendy’s and. And burger came

Brian: Way too.

Garret: I still like one D’s a lot. I mean, I don’t eat at Wendy’s Wendy’s is great,

Brian: But yeah,

Garret: But like, you know, even like among the parents, it’s like, yeah, this kid can eat burger King and enjoy it.

And that’s fine in moderation. But like, when you’re thinking about it as like, they’re not going to, it’s not going to affect them. Right. It is going to affect them. Just not immediately.

Brian: Yeah.

Garret: Right. There are customers here that you want to stay away from, but I think you can avoid that.

Brian: Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So that’s kind of like, why, so there’s two sides to this. Like we were thinking maybe I’ll go here for elementary and middle school and then go to America for high school. Uh, but at the same time we were just thinking like, maybe we actually shouldn’t think too much about this. Like what if he goes to.

Elementary school here. Like we always think about June’s life, uh, from a perspective where Jun has no say in it, like we’re just trying to like map out his life. And, and last time we were talking about this, which was just a few days ago, I was just like, okay, let’s, let’s stop. Cause by the time Jun’s in like fourth grade, he’s going to have actual opinions what he’s going to do.

Like we can’t just say, Oh, we’re going to move to another country now. And you’re going to come with us. Right. What if he doesn’t want to? What if he just has a lot of good friends there? Uh, you know, that’s very true, you know, it’s not, and I think that’s, that’s something that we kind of fell into, uh, in the early year or two as a parent.

Cause right now, Jun really has really no opinion of, uh, where he wants to be. Yeah. He just wants to be close to. Mommy and daddy. So it doesn’t matter if we’re in Japan or in the States, he just wants to be close to us. But at some point he’ll have opinions. Like he’ll have opinions about food. He’ll have opinions about people.

Uh, he’ll have opinions about the way like the government is structured and stuff and yeah. Yeah. So I was just like, let’s stop thinking about this. Let’s just. We’ll definitely do L elementary school here. Cause that’s kind of coming up soon ish. Uh, and, and yeah, just take it from there. Cause it doesn’t matter for like me where we live.

Yeah. I like it over here. Yeah.

Garret: I like it over there too.

Brian: Yes. You like it over here too. So how so? How about to like close this? You know, it’s almost lunchtime over here. Halloween, just tell people about what, what we have planned

and then

Garret: Yeah, I’ll, I’ll start, but you know, all like the places and stuff. So we’re talking about since, um, Broadway is shut down until June 20, 21 at the earliest. Uh, I am planning, well, you know, the borders aren’t open yet, but. Where Brian and I are talking about me taking a trip to Japan, um, to visit him for a few weeks.

So we can do this very specific walk from Kyoto to Tokyo and walking, doing this on foot. There’s a very specific trail, you know, the name of it. So you can take it from here, but that’s what we’re going to do. And the hope is I don’t want to make any promises because you never know what’s going to happen, but the hope is to kind of continue.

Th this podcast, but, um, but while we’re on the trail, right. Gonna do it nightly thing. If you want to make that a different, it’s going to be us too, either way.

Brian: Right? So like, like Garrett said, uh, this is a path from Kyoto to Tokyo. Uh, so. Kyoto actually used to be the old capital of Japan back in the day.

Oh. Uh, and Tokyo is the new one. So if you actually take a look at how Tokyo and Kyoto are spelled is just like backwards. Well, not backwards. Like the two parts of the word are just,

Garret: Yeah, that’s so cool.

Brian: Uh, yeah, so that happened. I may, I don’t know what year it was. It was back in. The samurai days.

Garret: Wait, did they name Tokyo?

Is that how they named Tokyo? Is that they just like

Brian: Scrambled it? I don’t know if that was, I don’t know if that was like the exact way, but I just thought it was interesting, so mean. Maybe we can look into this. I just thought, I didn’t realize this until last year. I was like, Oh, Tokyo and Kyoto. They have the exact same characters.

And it’s just kind of, that is so interesting or changed. Yeah. So yeah, this is a trail connecting the old and new capital a, so we would be leaving from Tokyo, uh, walking down to Kyoto and I believe it’s 530 kilometers, which is almost 300 mile walk

Garret: Almost. What’d you say? Almost a wa. You cut out

Brian: 300 miles, 300 mile walk.

Garret: Yeah.

Brian: And split up. Yeah. We’ll try not to do it all at once. All right. What if there’s like a bear chasing us and we just have to do it all at once.

Garret: Yeah. We run 300 miles. I’m sure.

Brian: Yeah.

It’s called the Nakasendo Trail. So that’s N-A-K-A-S-E-N-D-O. So this was actually, I believe the route that people back in the day used to go when they had to go between Tokyo and Kyoto. So from a historical perspective, that’s pretty fascinating. Like, yeah, people like three or 400 years or three or 400 years ago used to walk down this path.

Uh, you know, back then they didn’t have airplanes or trains. So people were walking, people were like riding horses and stuff. And just to be blocking on that same road and seeing the same kind of landscapes that people saw, uh, when they made this like incredibly long journey is I think it’ll be spiritual in a way.

I don’t know if you get what I mean by that, but.

Garret: Sure. I will

Brian: Believe in God or anything, but just like, like very important route and lots of people travel, you know, so many stories back and forth or, uh,

Garret: You believe in something. So I’m,

Brian: Yeah, this is very, very excited for that. And, uh, it’ll probably. Be like a week and a half, maybe like there’s, I, I found some like tours that are five days.

Uh, so I think if, if we want to do it comfortably and you know, maybe stop at some places along the way, uh, you know, maybe even build in some time to get lost. That’s always fun, right? Yes. Uh, and yeah, so maybe like a, like a week and a half would, would be, would it be what we’re aiming for? And. Down in Kyoto.

I actually, uh, found so there’s, so the, the hotel that I recently stayed at, uh, that I’ll share pictures of, um, that’s the hotel that I was telling you on Facebook about Garrett. So they, they have another location in Kyoto. So I thought it would be super cool if we got there. And then we could go to this place and stay for like a day or two and maybe meet my wife and Jun down there and just like do the on-set bath and like a foot massage.

Garret: I

Brian: Just relax food. Yeah.

Garret: Yeah. For those of you who don’t know, Brian is like the perfect person to vacation in Japan with,

Brian: Well, I don’t speak Japanese, so. I’m not a perfect person, but

Garret: No, you aren’t because that’s like half the fun of it is trying to, trying to direct cab drivers. In Hokkaido

to like, look up on my phone, how to say left and right,

Brian: Right.

Garret: Oh yeah.

Brian: Cause he

Garret: Didn’t speak a word of English, so we wouldn’t have gotten back to her if it weren’t for her. So that makes it more fun.

Brian: So my goal for the first few months of 2021 is to like, Learn basic Japanese. Cause I, I really think we’ll, we’ll need it for this trip because like most of these trails are going to be out in the middle of nowhere.

Like, uh, some parts actually have no, um, cell phone reception, so perfect. Like how are we going to look up? How to say right. Uh, perfect. If we don’t have the surface. So I think if, if we learn some Japanese at least to say like, Oh. Uh, can I eat rice or, Oh, where’s the bathroom or, Oh, can you, uh, tell us where the closest Japanese school is like?

If we learn how to say basic phrases, uh I’ll where’s the closest soap land.

Garret: That’s what I’m really going for.

Brian: Uh, excuse me. At three pool club, where is three pool club?

Garret: So blend though. So.

Brian: So Bolando telling me aware is so soap,

Garret: I’m wary of joining in, on the accent. Like you can do it.

Brian: Yeah. Right? Uh, well, that’s not really an, an accent. That’s how people say some words here. So most many Japanese words are just English words with like, Oh, tacked onto the end result or like you. Yeah. So like suitcases, like suitcases

Garret: Really.

Brian: Yeah. So I was like, what did they call a suitcase before they found out that English a suitcase? And then my wife was like, there wasn’t suitcases before like the English people came over. It’s like, they just had like bags and stuff. Yeah. There there’s like a suitcase is a very specific thing where they’re like wheels on it.

That was it. They just had like briefcases or like bags or like, no, like those stuff, you know, like a stick here and then, yeah. So like they have those kinds of things. And I was like, what the heck did they call a suitcase before? Like, uh, the American can showed up in the mid 19 hundreds or whatever. I’m just imaJuning

Garret: I’m imaJuning them showing.

Like Japanese people have briefcase for the first time being so confused. Oh, put it out there. Like they put their clothes in it they’re like, no, no, no, no.

Brian: Oh. And another example is ice cream. So it was like ice cream. It’s like ice cream. It’s like ice soup chemo. And I was like, what, what was ice cream before?

They found out it as ice cream. It’s like there was no ice cream.

Garret: So I actually had this conversation with someone very recently. So did ice cream oriJunate here? Like in the U S because I was, I was telling someone or, sorry, did it, was it us before it was an English speaking country before it was in Japan.

Brian: Because, Oh, I just looked at it. So ice cream was actually from Europe, France or Italy.

Garret: Okay. But what did they call

Brian: And what did they call it in France?

Garret: Yeah. Like where it oriJunated.

Brian: Oh, they call it cream ice

Garret: To ice cream. That’s a funny. But, and then it probably made its way over here and then to places and then, you know, further away, but you like, Japan has such a, there’s like a soft serve graze in Japan. You guys love it. And matcha ice cream is like the best thing that’s ever existed. So that made me feel like maybe

Brian: That’s true in

Garret: Japan first because it like.

The Japanese have mastered soft serve. Yeah. In a way that

Brian: Japan has kind of a history of taking things and bumping up the quality standards. So, you know, they did that with ice cream, I guess they did that with trains. Yes. They did that with, yeah. So like when Germany was still on like, like steam trains and stuff, cause back then Germany was kind of considered a leader of sorts.

Uh, So they were still doing like the steam stuff in Japan was already doing the bullet train back in the sixties, I believe.

Garret: Wow.

Brian: Yeah, it’s early. So they just kinda, they just take things, uh, and make them better. Yep.

Garret: That’s true. But also, like, I kind of feel like green tea, ice cream and matcha ice cream probably oriJunated

Brian: There.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like the concept came from somewhere else, I think. But yeah. Matcha is definitely, uh, a Japanese thing. Yeah. It

Garret: Looks funny. It’s like, we’re going to go ahead.

Brian: But

Garret: Now I was just going to say like, um, there’s like a slight delay, so, but, um, I was gonna say like, they took they’re like, okay, so we’re gonna take your whole concept.

Of ice cream, but we’re not only going to make it better. We’re actually also going to introduce an unbeatable flavor of it.

Brian: Yeah. There’s so many good flavors like sweet potato

Garret: In Japan.

Brian: Yeah. Yeah. Sweet potato. Sesames right. Oh, black Sesame. Oh yeah. Lavender. Uh, they have many different kinds of melons. Um, Melanie’s cream is so good.

I remember that macho. Yeah. Roasted tea is super good. They have

Garret: To try

Brian: All these. Yeah, come back over here.

Garret: I know.

Brian: Move over here and we’ll become professional bug bounty hunters.

Garret: I’ll do that for the title. I’m telling you. I want that on my resume.

Brian: You fly over here and then when they’re checking your passport, they’re like, so why are you in Japan?

I’m here to hunt bugs with my friend we’re bounty hunters.

Garret: We’re bug bounty. I’ll have to work on saying that with a straight face and a genuine bug.

Brian: Yeah, they’d be like bug bounty Hunter.

Garret: So it’s probably pretty easy to say it in Japanese

Brian: Digital digital specialists. Okay. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. I am from America. The land of the free, the home of the playbook. All right. I can do that. Cause I live in Japan. I know. But if you were a radical liberal, you would’ve called me racist and hung up by now.

Garret: Yeah. They would’ve fucked up a long time ago.

Brian: Yeah. It’s okay. On that note, let’s let’s go ahead and, and wrap this up since it’s lunchtime for me. Uh,

Garret: And that’s bed

Brian: Is going to be arriving very soon at this cafe. Ooh. Oh, Jun, Jun is coming here to have lunch. Jun, Jun and I are coming to have lunch.

Garret: I just heard Jun. I swear to God. I heard you said Jun or really? I heard Jun and I, maybe

Brian: I have the same problem as Jun, where I think I’m saying something that I’m not

Garret: Maybe, maybe that’s a very specific genetic traits.

Brian: Yeah. Jun is Jun’s. Bomba.

Garret: Jun is Jun’s Bomba. That’s peanut butter.

Brian: When I say Jun, it’s like jokes.

Garret: Maybe I’ll work with you on that.

Brian: Yeah. All right. Let’s try to make this a little more regular thing. I think, I think these kinds of discussions are always fun more than just talking about music all day.

Garret: Yeah. Yeah. I don’t think we talked about music at all. Except for Glenn Gould. That was cool.

Brian: Now we had a few brief mentions. You mentioned your tour, you mentioned playing piano at home Keyscape.

Garret: Oh yeah. Yeah. We’ve been talking for, it was pretty good. I think this a regular thing. I would like that.

Brian: All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening. If you’ve made it this far to the episode, I would be really impressed, but at the same time, I thought it was really entertaining. So there, there really was no reason for you to stop.

Garret: Absolutely as patient negative one. I agree.

Brian: Agree as well. So again, subscribe, subscribe.

Garret: Subscribe.

Brian: Review, subscribe, subscribe, subscribe, or view. Great reviews review later out podcast. So we can stand in the Apple podcast though.

Okay, thank you everyone for listening and we’ll be back. Sorry, other episodes.

Garret: Sorry about that. Sorry about him.